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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 17:24 |
Hawkwind are one of my faves without a doubt. I love how when the album starts you are instantly transported into their cosmic realm, like no other band. they stand alone and don't compromise in their style.
best albums for me are the classics of the 70s and a few from recent years.
In no particular order
LIVE
STUDIO
1980s
1990s
2000s
Brilliant band and these albums are as good as it gets
For those new to the band with no albums at all grab this compilation
3 CDS of Hawkwind brilliance spanning their whole career to 2000
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 15:51 |
What I like about Simon King's style is how good he was at adapting the droning "Motorik" style of percussion to something that really rocks, his creatively detailed way of doing fills and most of all the skill at playing up against the rest of the rhythm section.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 06:35 |
I have to say I don't understand the respect Simon King gets. What's it based on??
It's a genuine question. I'm a drummer, and I can't hear what's good about him. Is it just the 'energy' he plays with??
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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arctarus2708
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 01:06 |
I came to Hawkwind thru a friend's sister back in the mid 70's. it was their 1st album.. the weirdest in my opinion, never the less the more you played it and the more the hook went in... lots of bands have "concepts" & "themes"... Hawkwind were a little more committed than most....Hell just read the blurb on the back of their doreimefaslatido album (the one that introduces the band members)....the music has a passion and later their lyrical content had Calvert's touch.... What's not to like.. as far as popularity...I think that you kinda have to actively work and really listen...most people just listen to music to "fill in"...they lack the commitment..I think this is also true for the many other great, but obscure, bands that are out there...I'm 54 and still looking at new bands now...that journey started with Hawkwind
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TODDLER
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Posted: February 11 2014 at 10:18 |
Dave Brock has stated in the past...how the lyrics of Calvert were stories/predictions of the future and that most of them that exist in the present day are accurate. There are many beautiful things Brock misses in the friendship he had with Bob Calvert. In those days...Calvert was a fine writer...but..he was trying to be a Sci-Fi writer in real life while he was wrapped up in the music business. Dave Brock has been through some of the more lousy experiences in the music business. He is very angered and annoyed by the fact that Dave Anderson has been releasing between 2 to 3 new Hawkwind compilation cd's per year. Brock took legal action ..but he was faced with the task of someone on his team catching Anderson "red handed". No royalties for Brock in this case and the Hawkwind cd's keep surfacing. Brock recently had a confrontaion/debate with Nick Turner over who should be using the name Hawkwind. I do believe in my heart that Hawkwind is Dave Brock's band.
Edited by TODDLER - February 11 2014 at 10:20
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TODDLER
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Posted: February 11 2014 at 10:01 |
I saw them in Philadelphia , years ago...and just after Huw LLoyd Langton had departed. I was standing in line with my ticket when I noticed a guy running across the street and a car slamming the breaks and almost crashing into him...and wow...it turned out to be Dave Brock. He approached the sidewalk, lifted his arms in the air and explained to us that he couldn't get used to the highways and streets in America. He attempted to explain that In England ...everything is reversed and the driver's seat is to the right and so on..you know the deal? Then he walks over to the door, turns to us and says...."Oh, by the way...I hope we sound good tonight, because last night we sucked." I was laughing my head off. I thought he was a really interesting character and Hawkwind were amazing that night.
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TODDLER
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Posted: February 11 2014 at 09:50 |
Levitation was well produced and demonstrated (on certain tracks), that a more serious ,musicianship side to Hawkwind existed. If you crank this up running through JBL Tower speakers? It's a fine production, Dave Brock has a very distinctive vocal sound and a very interesting style of vocal phrasing. Huw LLoyd Langton plays Classical nylon string on different tracks, Ginger Baker's drums sound mighty and daring. The mighty Ginger Baker , ex Cream member now playing with a band you've already followed for 10 years. At one point....Ginger Baker approached Dave Brock and suggested that he fire Harvey Bainbridge and bring in Jack Bruce. Dave Brock valued his friendship with Bainbridge and told Baker..."No Ginger, In fact it is you that's going" "Please .....pack your drums and leave"
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TODDLER
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Posted: February 11 2014 at 09:38 |
This negative response to Hawkwind from an abundance of people dates back , (for me), to the year of 1973 when I brought Space Ritual to a Rock journalist's house ...who at the time , was my manager. He had connections, was interviewing Rick Wakeman over the phone..when I walked into his quarters..blah, blah whispering to me that I should pick up the other end and listen. A lot of journalists I've met over the many years in the music business dislike Hawkwind and it all seems to stem from this cold judgement that Hawkwind have zero ability in the department of writing. Nonsense! They are mostly being "hot shots" on a mission to flaunt their personal ego to everyone and all that bragging they do about their position in life makes me feel ill. I'm sure that Dave Brock feels the same way, regarding this situation revolving around the higher levels one obtains in the music business.
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TODDLER
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Posted: February 09 2014 at 12:12 |
I loved the Calvert years the best. Also Huw LLoyd Langton's contributions in the 80's. "Sea King" and 'Solitary Mind Games" were great songs. I also like "Sword of the East" from Xeon Codex. Warrior On the Edge Of Time , Hall of the Mountain Grill, and In Search Of Space were the first albums I heard. I liked every period of Hawkwind until they hired Arthur Brown ,,,whose voice does not fit the Hawkwind style. He sat on stage reading the lyrics and sometimes ...still getting the words wrong...like Elvis did with "My Way" He can recite a Satanic mass, but he can't get the Hawkwind lyrics right? I'm not serious...I'm only joking. I've owned many recordings of Arthur Brown and Vincent Crane...and probably around 75 Hawkwind cd's. and not counting all the off shoot bands along with complete collections of solo works from most of the Hawkwind band members for decades. I am up and down with Dave Brock's writing, but it doesn't stop me from liking many of Hawkwind's albums. I only enjoy periods of their career. I saw Bridget Wishhart with Hawkwind at the Ambler Cafe and she put on the perfect Space Rock show with an outstanding presentation. She would constantly, through out the night, exit the stage to change her costumes. She covered many Calvert songs, wore the costume fitting to the story, and acted out parts along with dance performance. What a great show! It was like revisiting Calvert for an evening...but I knew she was going to leave or be sacked by Dave Brock. That's been an on going pattern for decades. With Ginger Baker I could understand why Brock would make that choice....but it's been sad to see all the great members come and go. The innovative Hawkwind members that were very special.
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Posted: February 09 2014 at 11:55 |
The Mystical wrote:
Hawkwind has been my favourite band for a year now, and it seems that they are generally regarded as one of the greats of space rock. But how come their albums are so lowly rated here on progarchives? I have heard the argument "their musicality is too messy", but then how come albums like 'Trout Mask Replica' are rated so highly? I don't really mind, but it seems to me that the founders of space-rock should get more recognition in an online progressive rock community.
BTW, to all you Hawkwind fans, check out Nik-Turner's "Space Gypsy". Fantastical sh*t.
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I'm sure those who review Hawkwind on P.A. can't disregard their repeated chord progressions, find it annoying, and haven't the respect for their innovative credits. Even on Quark, Strangeness, and Charm there are progressions that repeat too often...however in this case..you had Simon House soloing on violin and Calvert insisting that the band be more tight in the area of composition with less extended jamming. Calvert often told stories over the endless repeating chord progressions which made Hawkwind less boring and much more desirable. 'Trout Mask Replica" was the result of band members living in a commune environment with cult leader Captain Beefheart. One guy was sent out monthly to cash in chips to buy cans of beans. The music was well constructed and although not melodic , it took hours to play it right. A couple of Beefheart's members struggled recovering from the recording sessions in that house. It went on for months. The members were not allowed to leave the house. One member became a Christian, started eating again..and found a more positive direction to live his life.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 09 2014 at 04:39 |
Has anyone else noticed Hawkwind's influence on 1980s goth rock: Christian Death, The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees etc.? The entire technically minimalistic yet texturally elaborate soundscape-building composition style focused around driving basslines is very similar, as is the atmosphere of otherworldly pulp fiction camp.(just Hammer horror instead of New Wave science-fiction) Not to mention that I just realized how much Rozz Williams sounded like an evil version of Bob Calvert.
The other '60s/'70s psych influence on '80s goth, that of The Doors, is one people are much more willing to acknowledge probably because Ian Astbury ended up singing for them when they reunited.
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Gryphon
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Posted: February 08 2014 at 22:38 |
hawkwind in the 70's - great band. after that - not so great.
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TQ
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Posted: February 08 2014 at 18:12 |
In search of something more 'progressive' (more challenging) I bought Space Ritual when I was about 17. I was confused for about half an hour and then it just clicked. I have seen them tons of times since, sometimes they are sublime, sometimes, well, rubbish. But that's part of what makes them great - they are forever shifting around their central sound without ever going too far.
But they are not really progressive now. I think Radiohead and Bjork are truly progressive.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 12:03 |
verslibre wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
You should start with Space Ritual and it is probably Marmite. Then Warrior on the Edge of Time which is probably the preferred dose of Hawkwind on this site. Then you should listen to Quark Strangeness and Charm. |
I agree, except for starting with Space Ritual. Probably not the best starting point for noobs. |
I know what you mean, however, I'm basing my recommendations on my own experience. A friend at school lent me Space Ritual and I loved it immediately. I can't understand anyone not liking it. Although, having said that, even though for Hawkfans Space Ritual is the pot of spacedust at the end of the rainbow, progfans may find it a little repetitive and unproggy. For me I find something new every time I listen to it, even after 30 years (Ugh no!), it is a godlikebrainf**k of an album! My only criticism is some of Bob's poetry.
I would add that Hawkwise is entirely correct and I apologise. Hawkwind history does not stop with Levitation. I have bought Onward and Blood recently and they are both cracking albums highly recommended stuff and might even be preferable to younger space-ears.
Earth calling, this is Earth Calling, Earth calling........
Edited by akamaisondufromage - January 20 2014 at 12:06
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 19 2014 at 18:42 |
I may have mentioned this previously but of all the bands in prog, there is no one quite like Hawkwind in that if you rely on studio or live albums, you really don't get the full picture. I saw Lemmy's last concert in Montreal and that was a life-changing experience. Could not listen to anything after that show for 3 days! Montreal Jazz festival founder Andre Menard actually promoted that gig and still considers it among the top 10 shows he had ever seen (along with Soft Machine). Once you see them live, the opinion varies immensely on their value to prog.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: January 19 2014 at 18:24 |
The Current line up ( the most staple in there history ) have been recording and playing some the Best Hawkwind stuff for a many a long year there last few albums have been brilliant fresh vibrant space rock/prog that you can find anywhere out there today.
I always find it amusing in Hawkwind threads that a band that have been flying for 40 OD years are then judged by a 10 year period in the 70s , there some people say there was poor albums in the 80s utter tosh they made some stunning music in that period .
and through the early 90s and on they again made some stunning FRESH Vibrant space prog and ambient music Electric Tepee and It's the Business of the future to be Dangerous are two stunningly brilliant albums.
And then there is Calvert Charisma years, Calvert song writing is second to none all backed up Dave Brock mastery Of the space rock realm.
Judging a band who been plying there trad for 40 years by just hearing a few there albums seems a tad silly.
All there Core studio albums are well worth having , dont judge a band by the Od weird put together studio out takes and demos and bits of live stuff of which for Hawkwind there is plenty out there.
All There core studio albums are rather good in there own hawkish way.
Onward Fly's the Bird .....................
Edited by Hawkwise - January 19 2014 at 18:27
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verslibre
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Posted: January 19 2014 at 17:07 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
You should start with Space Ritual and it is probably Marmite. Then Warrior on the Edge of Time which is probably the preferred dose of Hawkwind on this site. Then you should listen to Quark Strangeness and Charm. |
I agree, except for starting with Space Ritual. Probably not the best starting point for noobs.
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:39 |
Today I saw a 3CD set called "Parallel Universe" - is it any good?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 03 2014 at 03:15 |
I started with Hall of the Mountain Grill. Along with Warrior... that LP is probably the closest to archetypical British early-'70s progressive rock as those albums represent HW's flirtation with a more symphonic style.
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Drew
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Posted: January 02 2014 at 18:27 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Drew wrote:
I was about to start a "where do I start with Hawkiwind?" type of thread- but I remembered to do a search...
Any recommendations?
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You should start with Space Ritual and it is probably Marmite. Then Warrior on the Edge of Time which is probably the preferred dose of Hawkwind on this site. Then you should listen to Quark Strangeness and Charm. If you haven't been put off then listen to any of their 70s output. |
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