Guns, mass shootings, and related.

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: The NRA enter the debate.  The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.         Or not allowing them to have access to guns in the first place.  But Americans love their killing machines way too much to give them up without a fight.  I personally have never understood the love some of us feel for machines designed solely for the purpose of killing, but oh well.  Like we don't allow them to have access to marijuana in the first place, right? "Not allow."  The pansy language of a politician who has no real power over criminal activity. I don't "love" guns.  I have one.  We've been robbed.  We live in a neighborhood where children have parents who teach them to steal.  I know this because I taught the cousin of the boy who robbed us.  He also (from his public record) has no regard for the livelihood of anybody. This black or white sh*t has to stop.  It isn't "America just loves guns!"  We have reasons for having them.  If you don't have one, and haven't needed one, then I am genuinely happy for you. But if the government passes a law that says I can't have a gun, what are they going to do to me if I do?  Hmm?

Let me ask you this Rob.  How does a gun protect you from being robbed?  The bad guy is always going to have one advantage over you that all the guns in the world are not going to protect against, and that's the element of surprise.  Unless you're always sitting with your gun cocked and ready and pointed at the spot the criminal will enter your house, the likelihood of you being able to get to your gun before the bad guy can harm you or your family is not very high.  A gun in the next room or three feet away will do you no good if you're not always on your guard.  Is that how you want to live your life?  It isn't how I want to live mine. 

And I've heard a lot of (not from you guys but from others) "If the gubment tries to take away my guns, their (sic) will be an even bigger blood bath".  If that ain't love, tell me what is love?


Edited by The Doctor - December 21 2012 at 22:27

Well that's exactly it, Dusty. Even if we got to the point of "OK we are banning guns" people still have the sh*t
You would need a Nazi like effort to get rid of them all. Also tight monitoring of the black market that would develop. It's fun for internet forum talk but in reality it's insane.

And it's that whole mentality of force we love.
I really see no appeal to guns, don't see why anyone in the US needs more than a few, and there's no need at all for uzis and ak 47s. That being said, I have no compulsion to force it on others.
Hey you! I don't like this, you do but f**k you, I want to impose my wants on your life. Again, I don't dwell on the crime aspect since I don't see gun laws really impacting that.


Edited by JJLehto - December 21 2012 at 21:57

In the end I'm not going to shoot any guntard for disagreeing with me...

dtguitarfan wrote: JJLehto wrote: To be fair, the NRA usually halts their activity for like a day after these tragedies. They really let up for a while after this one, that should say something. Anywho, wanna point out that the NRA proposal to put an armed cop in every school has a real slippery slope to police state feel to it. I'd lol if the GOP supports it since they'd be supporting the police state they always pretend Obama has. I mean, we know the GOP wants a police state much as anyone so guess it's no shocker. Also, you know who else had armed guards at their school?  Columbine High School.

I've heard that a lot of schools with armed guards still have gun violence.
We all know the human spirit is a determined one. Good and bad.
Tell us not to, try to crack down but we always find a way.

Have any of you considered that a number of people in America and in adjacent countries want guns to be banned?  Doing so creates an underground market where illicit profit can be made.

Some people are against the legal market, but will foster illegal ones.

Slartibartfast wrote: By the way, slamming my quotes from people whose opinions I happen to agree with is no refutation of those opinions. You could bother to actually read them and then make your case against them...

My case against your entire "What to Do" article is that none of it will work.  For example:

No firearms in homes with people who would not pass a firearms purchase background check.

How do you regulate that?  Or this? 

No private sales of firearms.

I never have and I would say that there is a difference between killing and dying.

By the way, slamming my quotes from people whose opinions I happen to agree with is no refutation of those opinions. You could bother to actually read them and then make your case against them...

Slartibartfast wrote: I'm going to make this simple.  Our front door was kicked down last year by some punks looking to steal stuff from our house.  They weren't armed and neither was my wife.  Screaming at the top of her lungs drove them off.  Would a shoot out have made anything better???  She was about to take a shower.  Do you want to live in a country where you have to take a freaking gun with you everywhere you go to feel safe?  Welcome to the NRA AmerKKKa.  More guns will be great for the NRA gun makers lobby.

If they had been armed, what would you have done?

Epignosis wrote: timothy leary wrote: Would you care if he cared, I think not, so what is your point^ I need to go to bed in a bit, so I'm not going to waste the rest of my evening on someone who doesn't care what I have to say regarding his post. But thanks for your prediction regarding my mental process.  It was wrong, but thanks anyway.