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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: February 04 2013 at 03:49 |
Just reviewed - MORE ELOY!
1988 - Ra
Eloy's "Ra" has a very strong 80s aroma, with those synthy drums, tons of spacey keyboards and echoed vocals. It is not half as bad as some of the dross churned out in the late 80s and really deserves more credit than it gets here. There is prog on tracks such as Invasion of a Megaforce, that thankfully has nothing to do with the "Megaforce" movie trash. It has a lovely melody on the well executed 'Rainbow'.It has a great driving rhythm on 'Voyager of the Future' and a nice proggy intro with birds whistling, dialogue about a new chapter of mankind's history, and angelic vocals.The synth sequencer screams the 80s but it is a cool vibe, and the guitars are layered with twang, but the drums are mixed by an 80s engineer of course, never a good thing. The melody on the opening track is certainly an Eloy signature, it is the music that has changed over the years. The songs are overall forgettable but while it is playing the album has a pleasant vibe, everything is crystalline production and upbeat musical atmospherics such as spacey keys on 'Sensations', the fretless bass of 'Dreams' and the reverberating electro drums and snyth lines of 'Hero', along with its extended lead guitar break. Bornemann is still with the band and lends his unique vocals to the sound. Michael Gerlach is still here on keys, but the rest are guest musicians and singers, so it was not really a band in their prime; but they survived! There are no bad songs really but nothing jumps out and bites this reviewer as being anything more than a good song with some interesting musical structures. I guess the first track is the stand out along with 'Invasion of a Megaforce' with its Yes like vocals and style. I like the lead guitar work on the album by Bornemann especially on 'Hero', and the lovely vocals of Annette Strangenberg on 3 songs. This is an atmospheric album, by no means their worst, and as such is worth a listen for all Eloy fans.
1992 - Destination
Eloy's "Destination" is another of the 90s album that saw the band completely change from their prog symphonic roots to embrace the new heavier 90s sound. It is not too bad considering the change over in sound, and in fact it has some excellent songs such as the first three on the album, 'Call Of The Wild', 'Racing Shadows' and 'Destination'. The sound is definitely 90s of course with clean production, reverberating and distorted guitars and overlayed keyboards. 'Silent Revolution' has a nice drone giving it a dark edge, and the keyboards are haunting, sounding like pan pipes; 'Picnic at Hangnig Rock' springs to mind. Then it blazes along with fiery guitar riffs, a heavier sound from Bornemann. His vocals are terrific on such songs where he powers out the vocals with passion. This is definitely one of their heavier songs, and produced when metal was hyper popular. The lead break is incredible followed by chimming keys; a towering performance. Then it ends with a children's choir "we are the future race"; such an epic structure on this song based on saving the planet and shaming humankind for destroying the world with pollution and steel structures. Other songs include the sparkling guitars on 'Fire And Ice', with a grand melody and musicianship, 'Eclipse Of Mankind', that features a steady pace, metal drum style and endearing vocals, and finally operatic bombastic music on 'Jeanne d'Arc'. It is an enjoyable album and worthwhile, though not purely progressive, during this transformation period of the band.
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Posted: December 03 2012 at 14:10 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Out of the albums you mentioned you haven't heard yet, you probably wouldn't want to choose the debut over `The Power and the Passion', and certainly not `Inside' and `Floating', or even `Live'! How about `Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes'?
In other words, pretty much fill in the gaps between `Inside' up until `Colours', then perhaps go for the debut. As you mentioned, much of this stuff is a lot cheaper now (on nice remastered CD's with lovely booklets and bonus tracks), and I'm pretty sure that debut is much more affordable and easily available than it ever was before! |
Yeah, I have Silent Cries and like it a lot (though the Floyd similarities are pretty heavy on the first two tracks....which really doesn't bother me at all). Yeah, I think Inside and Floating are next for me, followed by The Power and The Passion. Tides Return Forever and Ocean 2 have a few good tracks but veer a little too much towards the Ra sound for my taste (Ra is another one I have.....but that one I just can't listen to after trying to get into it when I first go it.....just not the Eloy I enjoy). The repetition that happens on some of those songs is just irritating. The first 4 tracks on Ocean 2, however, are fantastic.
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Posted: December 02 2012 at 11:49 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Well okay, I thought you were saying the similarity is coincidental.
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LOL, it was definitely NOT coincidental.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:53 |
Well okay, I thought you were saying the similarity is coincidental.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:05 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
CCVP wrote:
IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some. |
"Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid fusions of wonder" is such a specific phrase, there is no way it wasn't ripped off. Likewise, the bonus track on Colours, "Wings of Vision", quotes the beginning of "Firth of Fifth" pretty much verbatim.
Speaking of Eloy, I still find their Colours album absolutely brilliant, but Ocean does very little for me. Terrible singing (and worse enunciation), unbelievably ridiculous lyrics and way too much 'atmospheric' padding that never goes anywhere. Too bad, because all four songs have great parts once they get going. Dawn is better, but a lot of it doesn't rise above the level of acceptable jamming.
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I'm not saying that there is no refference at all, you know.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 11:57 |
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IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some. |
"Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid fusions of wonder" is such a specific phrase, there is no way it wasn't ripped off. Likewise, the bonus track on Colours, "Wings of Vision", quotes the beginning of "Firth of Fifth" pretty much verbatim. Speaking of Eloy, I still find their Colours album absolutely brilliant, but Ocean does very little for me. Terrible singing (and worse enunciation), unbelievably ridiculous lyrics and way too much 'atmospheric' padding that never goes anywhere. Too bad, because all four songs have great parts once they get going. Dawn is better, but a lot of it doesn't rise above the level of acceptable jamming.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 09:46 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Here we go, CCVP!
Eloy - Horizons:
Sunbeams dancing in your mind
Blue larks embracing sunlight
Lotus of petals glistening
Cool shade of wise trees listening
Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid Fusions of wonder
Revealing corridors of time
pictures of redescending distance
Love colours sent within us
our endless caress for freedom.
Yes - The Reaveling Science of God:
Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder,
in moments hardly seen forgotten,
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of
challenge,
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole.
Dawn of thought transfered through moments of days underseaarching
earth
Revealing corridors of time provoking memories, disjointed but with purpose,
OK, so it's only a `little' rip-off, but undeniable!
When I listened to the album again last night, I noticed how much `Horizons' sounds like several of those Alan Parsons Project instrumental tracks that were always on their first few albums! |
IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 08:14 |
Out of the albums you mentioned you haven't heard yet, you probably wouldn't want to choose the debut over `The Power and the Passion', and certainly not `Inside' and `Floating', or even `Live'! How about `Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes'?
In other words, pretty much fill in the gaps between `Inside' up until `Colours', then perhaps go for the debut. As you mentioned, much of this stuff is a lot cheaper now (on nice remastered CD's with lovely booklets and bonus tracks), and I'm pretty sure that debut is much more affordable and easily available than it ever was before!
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 08:08 |
I've never heard the first album, as when I first started reading about the band on the internet, the consensus seemed to be that it wasn't worth the trouble of finding (at the time, copies were in the $30 - $50 range on Ebay, as it wasn't widely available on CD....or vinyl for that matter). Even Borneman seemed to dismiss it. Anyway, after reading reviews here, I feel like I need to check it out. My favorites are Dawn and Ocean, and I haven't really found anything close in their discography. I still don't have The Power and the Passion, though I have a compilation with half the album on it. Same with Inside and Floating. Guess I need to get cracking, as I don't have the Live album either I'm not fond of Colours or the albums after Planets/Time to Turn (both of which I really like). Tides Return Forever is a decent album, along with Ocean 2 (both are 3 star albums in my view). In my defense, back in the late 90's when I started to pick up Eloy albums, most of those were simply not available or too expensive for me to consider (if I saw them anywhere, it was as expensive imports......$20 plus). Since then I have bought hundreds of albums by various prog bands past and present, so Eloy kind of took a back seat. I now see that everything I am missing is on Amazon, mostly rather cheap in price. So is the first album something I should get before or after the other ones I mentioned?
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 07:32 |
Very fair review of the album, Scott!
I do like the album too, but I hardly ever listen to it, in some ways I kind of dismiss it and think of `Inside' as the proper debut album, in a similar way I think of `Trespass' as the first `official' Genesis album!
But I think it's kind of like the first Grobschnitt, Birth Control, and Yes etc albums, while not totally representative of where the bands would go, just damn fine rock early-prog albums with heaps of good stuff on them!
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 06:29 |
Okay new review and it is from the debut of the band
Eloy's debut is a promising start to one of my favourite bands. It is classic rock first and foremost rather than the prog they would cling onto so dearly in their next few albums, which are masterpieces. It is interesting to hear Eloy revved up with fuzzy guitar riffs and Sabbath like atmospheres. From the outset the guitar riffs crunch along on 'Today' with a Deep Purple style, then it moves to the glorious lengthy 'Something Yellow' driven by psychedelic heavy guitar riffing and a brilliant lead break from Frank Bornemann. He is always integral to the success for the group on vocals too, but I like the vocals also from Erich Schriever on this early Eloy incarnation. The other musicians are Helmut Draht on drums, Wolfgang Stöcker on bass, and Manfred Wieczorke on keyboards. They are all amazing on 'Something Yellow' perhaps the highlight of the album.'Eloy' is the only time the band refer to their name's sake and this is basically Uriah Heep in sound, and the vocals are similar to Deep Purple. I love the cool riff that ploughs along nicely over a simple beat. The instrumental break is broken by fast conga percussion, a nice lead break and then it locks back to the hypno riff. They speak of a "land of freedom" here and on their next album "Inside" they would speak of a "Land of No body." The band literally transform from this more simple style 2 years later and never look back. 'Song of a paranoid soldier' continues the heavy guitar riff and solid melodic singing. It shifts time sig in this song that is about not wanting to kill anymore, and a desire to return to the green countryside; poignant feelings at the time of recording in 1971. The lead break is terrific and I like the way it captures the 70s paranoia. 'Voice of revolution' has another grooving riff that grabs me but I really like the more peaceful and relaxing vibe on 'Isle of sun' reminding me of where the band would eventually go, producing some of the most beautiful music on the planet. 'Dillus roady' closes things with a Uriah Heep riff sounding very much like 'Gypsy', which I adore so no problems. Overall, Eloy's debut shows what the band are capable of and features some psychedelic Classic Rock sounds and very cool guitar. The ideas are solid and it is a good start to where they were headed. Of course they took on lengthy compositions with ambient keyboards and very intricate structures later. Nevertheless, a lot of bands would like to have a debut this good and it deserves it's place in birthing one of the greatest space rock bands of the 70s and beyond.
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Posted: November 14 2012 at 19:52 |
Here we go, CCVP!
Eloy - Horizons:
Sunbeams dancing in your mind
Blue larks embracing sunlight
Lotus of petals glistening
Cool shade of wise trees listening
Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid Fusions of wonder
Revealing corridors of time
pictures of redescending distance
Love colours sent within us
our endless caress for freedom.
Yes - The Reaveling Science of God:
Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder,
in moments hardly seen forgotten,
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of
challenge,
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole.
Dawn of thought transfered through moments of days underseaarching
earth
Revealing corridors of time provoking memories, disjointed but with purpose,
OK, so it's only a `little' rip-off, but undeniable!
When I listened to the album again last night, I noticed how much `Horizons' sounds like several of those Alan Parsons Project instrumental tracks that were always on their first few albums!
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Posted: November 14 2012 at 19:24 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Hah, yes, I know the exact bit you mean! Where they're singing the rip-off lyrics from (if I recall) `The Revealing Science of God' from Yes' `Topographic Oceans'?!
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I don't know anything about that,
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Posted: November 14 2012 at 01:48 |
Hah, yes, I know the exact bit you mean! Where they're singing the rip-off lyrics from (if I recall) `The Revealing Science of God' from Yes' `Topographic Oceans'?!
As I mentioned, I haven't really listened to `Colours' as much (no real excuse, to be honest) so you've encouraged me to dig it out right now, Richard!
I really like `Time To Turn'! For several years when I first started getting into prog, all I had from the band was a tape of `The Power and the Passion' and a CD of `Time To Turn', so I had no real choice but to listen to it a lot for my Eloy mix! I loved `Time To Turn' at the time, and I still think it's a fine release! I just adore the thick drifting outer-space atmospheric synths on it!
Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - November 14 2012 at 01:49
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Posted: November 14 2012 at 01:41 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Ha, `Floating' in probably in my top 10 favourite prog albums of all time! Easily my favourite Eloy album, certainly!
But ALL of their 70's stuff is top quality! The only one I have not yet warmed as much to is `Colours', which gets some serious love. I find it a little dull, but to be honest it's one of their only albums I don't think I've given enough time to yet. I still need to give it some serious plays to become more familiar with it.
It's sort of the beginning of the more `song based' direction they really went down in `Planets/Time To Turn' onwards. |
Colours/Planets and Time To Turn is almost a trilogy in my book. Easily my favourite period of Eloy. The opening track on Colours is probably my favourite Eloy track and also one of the most original tracks they ever did. Its the girlie choir that does it for me
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 15:11 |
Ha, `Floating' in probably in my top 10 favourite prog albums of all time! Easily my favourite Eloy album, certainly!
But ALL of their 70's stuff is top quality! The only one I have not yet warmed as much to is `Colours', which gets some serious love. I find it a little dull, but to be honest it's one of their only albums I don't think I've given enough time to yet. I still need to give it some serious plays to become more familiar with it.
It's sort of the beginning of the more `song based' direction they really went down in `Planets/Time To Turn' onwards.
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 15:04 |
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I know what you mean, CCVP! As much as I personally enjoy much of the material on the 80's albums, I seem to be in a minority there, and of course they don't even touch the quality, inventive ideas and energetic playing present on all those 70's albums!
I mean, when you look at albums like `Dawn', `Floating' and one of my personal favourites, the first side of `The Power and the Passion' (which, outside of Pink Floyd and early Queen, was THE VERY FIRST progressive rock album I ever heard - Archives member Tom Ozric gave me a cassette with `Power and the Passion' on one side and Genesis `Nursery Cryme' on the other!), I guess the 80's stuff doesn't measure up quite the same. |
Floating and Power and Passion? I would expect like Ocean or Mighty Cries, lol (the usual favorites)! I, personally, like better Ocean, Dawn and Inside.
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 14:35 |
I know what you mean, CCVP! As much as I personally enjoy much of the material on the 80's albums, I seem to be in a minority there, and of course they don't even touch the quality, inventive ideas and energetic playing present on all those 70's albums!
I mean, when you look at albums like `Dawn', `Floating' and one of my personal favourites, the first side of `The Power and the Passion' (which, outside of Pink Floyd and early Queen, was THE VERY FIRST progressive rock album I ever heard - Archives member Tom Ozric gave me a cassette with `Power and the Passion' on one side and Genesis `Nursery Cryme' on the other!), I guess the 80's stuff doesn't measure up quite the same.
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 14:20 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
CCVP, I really like the Eloy `metal years', as the used to be thought of years ago! I guess that kind of kicked off with `Colours/Planets' up until `Destination'? `Tide Returns' was a first return signs of the longer more epic pieces, I suppose?
You know, those late 70's to late 80's albums still sound so....ELOY to me! I think it's those icy thick synths all over the albums that just sound so robotic and sci-fi, classic Eloy trait!
Yes, so the arrangements were a lot more straight-forward and pop/rock based, but I think they were certainly better than the more AOR based prog bands bands of the same time - Asia, I'm looking at you! Maybe 80's Yes and Genesis, too, but I still love them! - and once you've got Bornermann's epic guitar playing and THAT voice, it's still very recognisable as Eloy! |
Don't get me wrong, I love their latter prog phase (from Colours to Time to Turn), but from Performance to Destination I just can't like their arrangements/compositions. it isn't like I haven't tried.
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 06:50 |
^^^ I know - It doesnt matter which Eloy album I put on. As soon as I hear Bornemann's voice I am gone! Love it.
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