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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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Blacksword, this is hardly new news. This was days ago. I seriously doubt the Syrians chased the Israelis away. They are just saying that to save face. During the six day war Syrian state radio said that they shot down over 80 Israeli Jets and were advancing on Haifa.
The Syrians are smart, they won't fire on the planes because they no they can't win this fight, if it comes. That of course wont stop them and Iran from funding Hizbullah and Hamas.
American news channels talked about this quite a bit.
It was interesting, I watched BBC News last night, very different from CNN/Fox News.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Once again, the mainstream media chooses to play down/ignore the presence of Israeli fighter jets flying over the summer retreat of the Syrian leader. The jets were apparently fired upon and retreated.\ This does have the real potential to escalate..
Provocative.. Edited by Blacksword - July 02 2006 at 17:07 |
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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Hamas gunmen are already fighting back. Its definately war at this point, just as I think 2002 Operation Defensive Shield was war.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^ I think so yes, but it's a question of what words you choose to describe the situation. I'm sure if you asked PM Olmert if he was at war he would say 'No' for reasons of PR.
If it gets to a point, and it will, when Hamas starts fighting back, the term 'war' will be unavoidable. |
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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^ Blacksword, is it not all out war already? I consider gunfire back and forth war.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Hamas threatens further rocket attacks, and Gaza prepares for all out war with Israel..
On the brink? Edited by Blacksword - July 02 2006 at 14:16 |
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Forgotten Son ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 13 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1356 |
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Forgotten Son ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 13 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1356 |
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Wikipedia is hardly the most credible source in this matter. Anyone who is prepared to take their own life is hardly a coward, regardless of the manner in which they do it. cow·ard·ice ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() n.
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Root_Pepper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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With such extreme fundings and firepower, a force as well armed as
Israel doesn't have an excuse for such mistakes. And do you know where
the terrorism originally stems from? There's a reason why the people
are this desperate, it's not pointless, ruthless killings. They aren't
willing to turn to the lowest possible medium for attack without a
cause. I'm not justifying the acts, but I think one should look at what
went wrong in causing people to need to use such a concept of violence.
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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I disagree. I think the power plant attack was a mistake in retrospect, but terrorism is endemic to Palestinian culture. Israel faced constant terrorism from Palestinian factions (egged on by Egypt and Syria) way before it occupied the territories.
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Root_Pepper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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It's not the casulties that count, it's the sheer firepower they've
brought in. It's the destruction of power plants removing safe water
supplies or reliant electricity throughout Gaza. It's the shock and awe
tactics that have Palestinians hiding in their homes. It's these
actions that breed terrorism.
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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What overwhelming force? The number of casualties can be counted on one hand...
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Root_Pepper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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I'll try and not be critical, but I cannot BELIEVE the overwhelming and
unnecessary force used by Israel in this current conflict. They are
being the bullies in this situation, despite the medias attempt to
victimize them - while simultaneously demonizing Hamas. I understand
that Hamas is not the most angelic of organizations, but there is no
right of Israel in arresting the Paelstinian government members. If
Hamas entered Israel and arrested their leaders, there would be
worldwide outrage. I know it's dangerous to say negative things about
Israel, especially without recieving criticism, but they are really
adding fuel to this fire right now. A new type of world war is on the
breach, especially with these multiple Middle Eastern struggles adding
up (Iraq, Iran, Israel, Afghanistan...)
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spacecraft ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 04 2006 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 184 |
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For too long, the Palestinians have been run by terrorists, who do not want peace at any cost. Hamas are always going to be a problem and i hope Israel will deal with them in their usual cold blooded efficiency. The US and the Eu will stand by, but spout their usual mutterings, whilst allowing the Israelis to protect their own, as it should be.
Much is made of the Israeli insurgence into the Gaza strip, bombs dropping here, innocent people killed there. But, hardly anyone blinks an eye when the obnoxious, ignorant and arogant race ( not England, but the Arabs, and Palestinions in particular) kill Jews.
The only way there will be peace in the middle east is when the Palestinions realise that Israel is here to stay, and will, quite rightly, defend itself in any way it wants.
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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Update:
Typical UN is at it again; not a peep over 400,000 dead in Darfur. But the Gaza incursion, where I think 6 people have died, denotes a special session of the Security Council. Give me a freaking break.
The UN always does this, it always has its two perennial issues. 1) Israel 2) whatever else there is time for before lunch. Edited by NetsNJFan - June 30 2006 at 16:52 |
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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I know, Crimson I do understand their viewpoint. They have been victims of History, pawns between the Arabs and the Israelis. Nonetheless, they do have something to lose, the Gaza Strip, which they've now lost. My problem is that this conflict isn't about the territories, it's about Israel proper. The Palestinians already have close to 78% of Mandatory Palestine, with the Jews having 17%. This conflict isn't about the 5% that are the territories, it is about the 17% occupied by the Jews. The PLO was founded in 1964, before the territories were occupied.
There has been offer after offer after offer, all turned down. Olmert is offering a full withdrawal from 90% of the WB, with negotiations to determine the remainign 10%. What is the problem with this offer? Is it that they don't want the Israelis to leave?
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crimson thing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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Whether or not you agree with their assessment, you won't stop the Palestinians attacking Israel as long as they believe they're trying to regain their own land. What do they have to lose? And it's not as if there are any counter offers on the table.......after all, how would you feel if someone invaded & occupied the whole of the US.......but expected you to feel grateful that you were offered back Montana & RI as full & final settlement.........
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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Blacksword: I agree, the recent events are most unfortuanate for both sides. I do feel, however that it could have been avoided. Had the Int'l community pressured Hamas to stop the rocket fire from Gaza, there would have been no invasion. The again, it isn't like the Hamas government ever listens to the world, they wouldn't now.
I've been trying to think of another way Israel could have stopped the Qassam attacks, and I'm stumped. Any ideas Blacksword?
(I know this is being framed in context of the kidnapping, but it is really about the Qassam rocket fire on Sderot, for which the PM, MoD were getting roasted by the public).
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Nets: Thanks for posting that article, it was a fascinating read.
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