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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 06:52 |
^ Really surprised you don't like Sheer Heart Attack. For me it's their one 'no flaws perfect 5 star album'
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catfood03
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 21:14 |
A lot of comments I'm reading about Queen having a lot of filler tracks on each album. For those who think so, what are such tracks for you?
I only own the first five (I've got the Amazon box set vol.2 in my shopping cart, so will be getting albums 6 through 10 soon) Queen (debut). I love, love this album and listen to it all the way through most times. Only "The Night Comes Down/Modern Times Rock N Roll" is a slight dip in the flow. Queen II Same as above. "Some Day One Day" is okay, but I never skip it. Sheer Heart Attack I rarely listen to this one. Just can't get into it. So no comment. A Night At the Opera No filler. A perfect album from start to finish and somewhere in my top 20 albums of all time! A Day At the Races Near perfect, like the first two albums. Most songs are good to my ears. "You and I" bores me a bit. Edited by catfood03 - September 13 2011 at 21:16 |
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criticdrummer94
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 08:09 |
How I always called Queen was this: "A great rock band that could be the 70s Beatles(Pink Floyd is also a contender) with progressive elements." It was the 70s most of the great rock acts of the 70s had Progressive elements in their music
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lucas
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 10:50 |
I really don't care how you label them, they were an astonishing band, one of the best ever. They were sort of an operatic rock band evolving with their time. And if some people tell they lost their "bite" after the game, they should listen to songs like "innuendo", "is this the world we created", "tear it up", "gimme the prize", "who wants to live forever", "was it all worth it", "scandal", "I can't live with you", "don't try so hard", "the hitman", "the show must go on". They all showcase some tremendous musicianship and exceptional vocals, of course. |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 08:13 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 08:03 |
^ No. I inferred from your post that you consider such a wide diversity of classifications of their music from 3rd parties as conclusive evidence of Queen being unadulterated 'Progressive Rock'
It's not the first time I've misunderstood you is it? |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 07:58 |
I don't understand, you say that RYM is trying to sell Queen as a Progressive Rock act? Because I don't see that at all. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 07:55 |
Queen never, you know, really rocked me.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 07:49 |
^ They could conceivably come up with a genre description for every rock song ever written but it wouldn't make Queen any more Progressive Rock than eclectic.
BTW I love Queen but don't feel the need to qualify their credentials of excellence as being 'Prog' to legitimise their worth |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 07:20 |
Queen on RateYourMusic:
Pop/Rock, Hard Rock, Rock, Glam Rock, Pop, Soundtracks, Disco, Film Score, Art Rock, Film Soundtrack, Progressive Rock, Symphonic Rock, Synth Pop, Funk Rock, Piano Rock, Christmas Music, Rock Opera I'd say that's fair. |
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irrelevant
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 06:28 |
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Icarium
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 05:49 |
10cc is also prog
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Gerinski
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 05:45 |
They did rock in a way which had never been done before, May's overdubs, orchestrations, the way he managed to mimic a whole lot of other instruments with his guitar, together with Mercury's melodical sensitivity made their rock unique. They were innovative and that's enough for me to qualify even if they did not do the standard prog of the time.
And although Deacon and Taylor provided strong contributions they contributed to the more pop-rock feel, had they had a proggier bassist and drummer and a proper keyboardist things might have been different, although the leading personalities were May and Mercury so probably not much.
Prog rock is frequently defined as rock which incorporates elements from other styles such as classical or jazz. In the case of Queen those other styles were cabaret music, big band music, lullabies or whatever, and ok their songs were not very long and they did not frequently change time signatures within the same song, so what? they just had their own approach to making innovative rock.
Nowadays some have no problem calling Opeth prog, by the same token I have no problem considering Queen progressive rock, at least until A Night At The Opera.
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rogerthat
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 04:43 |
I see no issue in calling Queen PR if Tori is crossover. The problem might simply be that Queen was and is already very well known as one of the top hard rock acts of the 70s and reclassifying them for the sake of this website seems superfluous. As for being progressive, I think Sparks should get some of the credit that is generally reserved for Queen because they did this whole glam rock with faux-operatic vocals thing, AND anticipated New Wave, AND did it a whole lot more effectively than Queen. As much as I like Queen, most of their memorable tracks are pastiches.
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Icarium
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 03:34 |
this band is some ways similar to Queen with blending glam rock, folk rock, hard rock and sometimes lenghty songs does that make Mott the Hoople prog then
several songs longer then the longest queen song and to me unmistacenle variant of heavy prog, but also with originality this song is also proto progish Edited by aginor - September 10 2011 at 03:54 |
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wjohnd
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 03:28 |
yup...total agreement with you on that. |
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richardh
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Posted: September 10 2011 at 03:20 |
^ good comments
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moshkito
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Posted: September 09 2011 at 16:38 |
Hi,
When you go back and listen to it today, you can see how good they were, and ... fairly distinctive, though not necessarily original. When the first album came out, the radio blurb sent around was trying to compare them to Led Zeppelin, which they were not ... they never got into "blues" per se, or "rock'n'roll" as it were ... they were about themselves and their work, and that is something that as time goes by, you can appreciate more and more and more ... there aren't that many "distinctive" bands out there ... right or wrong ... and Queen did stand out and it would not have done so if it were simply Freddie Mercury ... the whole band was involved and very active in their work.
And it shows! And for goodness sakes, they were not as pretentious as some bands are telling you they play "progressive" music! You don't need to be pretentious when you are GOOD!
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Horizons
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Posted: September 09 2011 at 16:28 |
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Battlepriest
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Posted: September 09 2011 at 15:41 |
By my take, they are as much a prog band as Uriah Heep or Atomic Rooster (both of whom I consider to be prog, but barely so). They're a whole league more prog rock than Tori Amos, Nine Inch Nails or Robert Plant. I think the root of the classification problems is the concept of "100% progressive". Few albums, and fewer albums live up to that extreme standard.
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