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sararocksprog 
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Joined: October 25 2010 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 47 |
 Posted: February 18 2011 at 00:36 |
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frippism
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 27 2010 Location: Tel Aviv Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
Posted: February 16 2011 at 11:41 |
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I think the definition of prog is much broader and the same time much narrower. I do not count neo-prog as prog (with exceptions of course) because its major lack of progressivness and not a major sonic evolution in nearly 30 years. I count something as prog if it's different and if it's creative. Technical abilities? Definitely, but not a major necessity. Progressive is about being Progressive in my eyes, not a genre.
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Makntak
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Joined: June 10 2008 Location: London, UK Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: February 10 2011 at 11:34 |
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-bjork=prog-pi squared, Slartibartfast! How many times do we have to go through this lad?
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Whoever Controls Your Eyeballs Rules The World |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: February 10 2011 at 05:50 |
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Then everything not = bjork = prog - pi? |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
Posted: February 10 2011 at 04:44 |
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^^^
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Xanatos
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Banned Joined: February 01 2010 Location: Latin America Status: Offline Points: 305 |
Posted: January 27 2011 at 08:15 |
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its simple
Prog = not bjork
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sararocksprog
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Joined: October 25 2010 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 47 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:56 |
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Thanks so much for your comments! Yeah... we'll keep on trucking... we've found some Total B.S. Heads for sure within the prog community... but we're also finding our audience everywhere... so it's all good.
The drums were created on a CAT system which are drum pads that trigger digital sounds... It's a powerful program that you can edit in a myriad of ways to get a real drumset sound.
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sararocksprog
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Joined: October 25 2010 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 47 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:32 |
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:27 |
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Actually, no, the question is asked frequently here. The answer is simple, Pink Floyd had tremendous crossover appeal, so they are remembered much more and by many more as a great CLASSIC ROCK band but they also made enough prog to get considered prog rock on a prog rock website. That of course doesn't mean all their work was prog. Incidentally, I didn't think of Pink Floyd as prog either when I started to listen to rock. But while reading their wikipedia page, I came across the word progressive rock which in turn led to Prog Archives and...
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sararocksprog
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:10 |
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Thanks! I definitely feel the same... just trying to make supersonic music! I get a lot of joy out of it so... this is good!
Here are a few of our standout tracks
I'd love to hear what you think. Sara
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sararocksprog
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Joined: October 25 2010 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 47 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 22:56 |
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My reference to whether Pink Floyd is prog or not was in reference to all of the articles I've come across since I've been browsing these Prog forums. I guess you may not be aware there is some question as to whether Pink Floyd is prog or not. Before I was ever exposed to the whoe 'prog phenomena'... I never thought of Pink Floyd as "Prog"... just one of the greatest bands of all time... My statement was 'tongue in cheek'... since it really makes no difference to me...and them being listed on Prog Archives doesn't add any validity to whether they qualify as Prog or not. There are plenty of non-Prog bands on this sight so...
The most Prog song on the album is "Following Forward"... if you want to give it a listen http://www.reverbnation.com/totalbsrocks
BTW... Have we been rejected? Waaah!!
 Actually, I was 'informed' that we may or may not get listed... which surprised me... I hadn't realized it was such an exclusive listing... and from what I read on getting listed, stated by a site administrator who wrote the guidelines for getting listed... he said that there would be controversy with regard to some of the bands listed due to the fact that he was instructed by THE ADMINISTRATION to be 'inclusive' rather than exclusive in an effort to drive more traffic to the site, which... for a genre community that seems to pride itself on it's discriminating taste... I thought that was a bit peculiar  Anyway... I appreciate your comments.
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Makntak
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Joined: June 10 2008 Location: London, UK Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 04:24 |
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Sara
Thanks for your contribution and your thoughts and questions. Fundamentally, I don't think you'll ever get a fully satisfactory answer. I like this from Debbie Sears @ Prog Rock Diner Radio. Her quote comes form the Romantic Warriors DVD released last year: Progressive music is different things to different people, but to what it is, is music that defies the boundaries of commercial music. People who try different things. Experimenting with music.” I like this, it's simple and embracing and inclusive. I don't for an instant suggest this dedinition is all-encompassing, it just works for me, and when people ask (which they do) "What is Prog?", I tell them this and they can get their heads around it. To the converted, our church is vast and has wide doors for easy access. There are statues around about of the many saints who founded our faith, but, I like to believe ours is a living church, otherwise, when the middle-aged pseuds, amongst whom I fiercely and proudly consider myself a card-carrying member, that comprise our congregation die, who will carry the torch? I echo all of the comments above that mention the fact that musicians should just play what they like to play and hear and I appreciate that marketing the results is never an easy task in a world where any bedroom artist can claim their status as musician, without ever really having earned their stripes in front of a live and apathetic public, but that's another debate. I listened to your band's music and I respectfully want to say this. Using Debbie's quotation, I can totally see how Total B.S. could fit under the wings of Prog, there's an inventive compositional aesthetic at work, no doubt. I think you're right, I imagine you'd most comfortably come under a Prog Fusion banner, just for ease of understanding (Pigeon Holes are useful! - I'd rather pigeon-hole something and absorb it fully at my leisure, than have to go through all of my letters, strewn randomly about the floor every time I wanted to find something). Having said that, I do think you are appealing to only a very small, very niche market within the Prog community and it would be for you to judge how much effort is worth such potentially small returns. As for the music itself, Blair is an amazing bassist. You're a bit bonkers in a Tori Amos or Bjork kind of way. Is the drumming a machine or a human? I find the songs a bit chaotic and out of control, but I admire your diversity. It's certainly adventurous! Prog on, lady and best of luck with Total B.S. |
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Progdaybay
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Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Québec Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: January 11 2011 at 12:35 |
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To someone asking me... that question ?
I say : "Listen to Whirlwind, of Transatlantic", and you will have an idea of what prog is.
Of course, I agree on the feelings that we have, which vary from day to day, even to include groups or not in "the" category.
Subjective, and it is ok that it is...
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Starless
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Joined: June 29 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 85 |
Posted: January 09 2011 at 06:17 |
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Ah, the age old question!
Now into my second half century on Earth I like to think of myself as musically broad minded, and although I like this site, I try to ignore the preponderance of labels. Who cares whether something is defined as Psychedelic/Space Rock or Fusion or Neo Prog? Musical appreciation is always subjective, and you either think something is "good" or "average" or "bad".
My personal definition of prog has in more recent times been swamped on this site by the sheer number of Metal sub-genres, something I've always found hard to appreciate, particularly those "singers" who have a fondness for gargling with barbed wire. When that guy from Opeth actually sings rather than attempts to turn his throat inside out, I quite like the band, but as soon as a "Gnnnrrrrawghh" is heard I switch off. Like I said, it's all subjective. If it were up to me, all those Metal subgenres should exist on a Metal site, not a Prog one!
I like the article writer's last question - are Pink Floyd prog? No they're not, again in my opinion. They were, and practically invented space rock and morphed into stadium rock. The only song of theirs that has a time signature even slightly out of the ordinary I can think of is Money! Still love the band though, but they don't fit my definintion of Prog, which should entail some adventure. Gilmour is a great guitarist, but you could never describe him as adventurous could you?
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Beware of the flowers, cos they're gonna get you yet!
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ExittheLemming
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Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: January 08 2011 at 06:11 |
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There is a lot of truth in this but we are in the main not fanatics and would not pretend to know what any artistic phenomenon truly is. Reductio ad absurdum: music is just vibrating air molecules that hit the timpanic membranes i.e. objectivity in aesthetics is one of the worst delusions we can harbour. |
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Whitegold
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Joined: January 07 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: January 07 2011 at 10:07 |
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A lot of the music I enjoy is defined as prog so from that I accept that I like prog, I let other people define the music and decide if bands should be classed as prog or not as I follow the Genesis line "I know what I like and I like what I know",
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Cartmen
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Joined: December 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Posted: January 04 2011 at 18:38 |
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Wow, I just checked this band out and its not prog at all. I live in America now, but I grew up in Europe and have followed all the great progressive and metal bands. The songs here aren't nearly good enough to be classified as progressive or metal.
Just my two cents.
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sigod
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Joined: September 17 2004 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: December 22 2010 at 10:48 |
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
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Manuel
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Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13351 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 08:47 |
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If you read many interviews with some of the "Original proggers" like Ian Anderson, Steve Hackett, etc, they don't really think themselves as "Proggers", since when they wrote their music, and I mean back in the day, the term "Progressive Rock" did not existed. As Steve Hackett once mentioned "We were not trying to make progressive music, we were simply trying to write the best music we possibly could". so, if you are doing your best, that's all you need.
I will definitely check your music out, you have arisen my curiosity.
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Baggra
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Joined: December 16 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 08:10 |
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The problem with music fanatics is that they are out to vilify the other guys and stand up for their personal love, elevating its worth (in the eyes of those they assume the ignorant rabble).
So, in their defining of it they make it what they themselves ideally wish it to be, not as it truely is.
They distort/shape it to mirror their own frenzy/fancy/conceit.
Build it up to be something grander and purer than it really is/was.
(As in my other post, make it into something which "always progresses" - even though it may not always progress, but merely become exploited.)
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