Metallica ?

Which is why I proposed to change the name from "Prog-Related" to "Prog Influences". What would be the harm in that? It is still clearly not Prog, but at the same time is much more specific, meaning that only bands who had something do with with a major Prog influence should be allowed into the category.

Does that sound like a fair solution? All it would take would be one or two minutes of someone's time to rename the page and make some amendments to the description.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: p0mt3 wrote: But Ivan, if enough people thinm a band deserves to be on the site they support, isn't it very democratic and accurate to re-evaluate a band's 'reject' status? . They are now a part of this site, and that is the way of it. It needs to be klayed to rest (In my opinion).   Let Theo answer this question:   The T wrote: PA is not a democracy. And polls have never decided if a band gets here or not.     Just one final question...When is a decision final?   When an Administrator and the owner through him say that is final Or when the people who didn't accepted this final decision get what they want?   Iván

So . . . ProgArchives is a dictatorship?



By the way, nobody held a gun to the Admin's head and made him add Metallica to the site, so I would say . . . yeah, option 1 is still when a decision is made final.

If PA truly isn't a democracy, then no amount of bitching from forum members would matter to the Admins. It was still their decision in the end, alright? Take it up with them if you have that much of a problem with the band's existence here.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: OK, you can insist how many times you want and I don't. BTW: I find more offensive to M@X the way you imply somebody can believe M@X could be brainwashed, I respect him and what he has done with Prog Archives in a few years to even believe he can be brainwashed.   p0mt3: I understand you are surprised, but wha bothers me are phrases that could lead to people insisting in absurd additions becaise well......Prog Related is not Prog.   Metallica is not a problem, there are worst additions that I have said nothing about.   It also bothers, me that a band is rejected, the owner says NO, the Administrators say NO...But some people feel entitled to insist ad nauseam and make a 26 pages thread......Well that's OK   I could have said "The band was rejected 5 times...nobody said them "LET IT BE"....They insisted and insisted and insisted and insisted until the band was added.   Isn't this preasure?   But if this same people protest when you make a comment in an open thread, because they feel entitled to insist as much as they want but I have to shut up when it's their turn.   PLEASE.   Iván   Again, I hope this is all with this issue.

But Ivan, if enough people thinm a band deserves to be on the site they support, isn't it very democratic and accurate to re-evaluate a band's 'reject' status? If only the Admin's opinion mattered, the community wouldn't be as big and thriving as it is now. People like being involved in the decision making, because it makes them feel like the site is listening to them. After all, we are running this place to appeal to them, not just to ourselves, right?

And what is so absured about this argument of placement? It is the truth! "Prog-Related" is not "Prog", so why should this even be an issue? If people assume Metallica is "Prog" even though they are clearly listed in "Prog-Related", then they should get their heads examined; it isn't up to us to constantly hold peoples' hands here. If a person can't figure out that the P/R section is apart from the main core of the site, that's their own fault for misreading it, and not ours. We should be able to pay ode to the bands who have inspired this genre over the years without worrying about confusion or anything else.

Would it make you feel better if "Prog-Related" were renamed to "Prog Influences"?

Having said all of this, I personally don't think Metallica belongs here, either. However, I don't care enough about it to keep a pointless thread going with futile arguments. They are now a part of this site, and that is the way of it. It needs to be klayed to rest (In my opinion).


Edited by p0mt3 - July 05 2009 at 23:20

The T wrote: Ivan, what you still don't understand is that your disagreeing with Metallica's inclusion is no big deal to me... what pisses me off is how you repeat, every chance you have, that we added the band out of pressure and pushing for it and convincing the owner of something against any logic.... you understand that that could be slightly offensive, don't you? I don't really give a damn whether you think Metallica is prog-related or not, and I'm happy you don't give a damn about my opinion either.... but at least RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO, ONCE A DECISION WAS MADE, ADDED THE BAND AND THE WORK IT DEMANDED.   Anyway, I known this is not your usual self... your policy is "once an addition is done i let it be"... Curiously, your biggest concern seems not to be the addition, but how it was achieved (pressure, convincing, group, etc etc)...

I too am confused at Ivan's attitude on this.

Care to share, Mr. Melgar?

Ivan, what you still don't understand is that your disagreeing with Metallica's inclusion is no big deal to me... what pisses me off is how you repeat, every chance you have, that we added the band out of pressure and pushing for it and convincing the owner of something against any logic.... you understand that that could be slightly offensive, don't you? I don't really give a damn whether you think Metallica is prog-related or not, and I'm happy you don't give a damn about my opinion either.... but at least RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO, ONCE A DECISION WAS MADE, ADDED THE BAND AND THE WORK IT DEMANDED.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: p0mt3 wrote: Why is this even an issue anymore? They are here, now. Drop it, folks. We should try to make it more obvious to visitors that their being here does not mean that the admins and collabs of PA think that they're a prog band.

JJLehto wrote:   And I was just kidding about Slayer obviously.....but I'm sure if you tried hard enough someone could find an argument for them.

Damn it man...I actually just went and looked for the Beach Boys here...

It can be done... give us enough time... none withstands our pressure....

JJLehto wrote: So......all that red and big font was totally necessary.