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Chicapah 
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 Posted: April 21 2008 at 10:49 |
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This is an interesting topic and I'm glad to see that the thread has stayed relatively civil and intelligent. I'm sure I'll incur the wrath of many, but I watch Idol because I know how hard it is to sing well (I never could). I get a perverse kick out of seeing the contestants try to sing like Freddie Mercury and other vocal giants and sometimes am surprised that someone with actual talent gets through the riff raff of idiots. As for the dumbing down of musical tastes, consider that in the heyday of prog (1973, for example) the big sellers were "Tie a Yellow Ribbon," "Ballroom Blitz" and "Crocodile Rock" so folks are going to seek out what they desire to hear no matter how wide the spectrum of creativity may be at any given time. I don't know of an era when TV was anything more than a hodgepodge of manure where occasionally something of genuine quality appeared so the fact that the #1 show is one that features young people singing a wide array of tunes past and present doesn't make me think the apocalypse is coming this week. It's a lot more honest than political debates or "professional" wrasslin', that's for sure!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 01:43 |
Oh please T, American Idol is a Karaoke contest, where the most popular person wins, not the best.
What can we expect of a program where the producer and owner has such a terrible taste as was posted the other day:
Bobby Darin - Mack the Knife
Herb Alpert - This Guy's In Love With You
Charles Aznavour - She
Righteous Brothers - Unchained Melody
Wayne Newton - Danke Schoen
Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The one
Sammy Davis, Jr. - Mr. Bojangles
Frank Sinatra - Summer Wind
Please...Bobby Darin and Wayne Newton????
Then you got Paula Abdul for whom everybody is fantastic and the former Journey and Jean Luc Ponty basist Randy "The Emperor" Jackson who left good music to backup Britney and N'Sync, it's like the bad cop - good cop act, Paula is teh god cop, Randy Jackson is the mediator and Simon Cowell is the bad cop...Please, this is an act.
The show is a disaster, they destroy some excellent tracks with festival arrangements.
Please, stop mixing politics with music, if you want to rant against USA President, there are politic threads, people around the world think about the Dollar, Euro, Yen or Sucre before anything, that's the human nature, this is the GENERAL MUSIC section, this is not a place to talk about any Government.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 21 2008 at 01:58
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markosherrera
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 01:26 |
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Well Kelly Klarkson is a product of American Idol program...now she is doing efforts for be different...with a new style....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ZcfbOXnoU
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Hi progmaniacs of all the world
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 01:21 |
 The T wrote:
Bluesaga wrote:
Even channels like CNN and History (how UFO Hunting is related to History is beyond me) are becoming worse over time. G4 is horrible now, I stopped watching it a few years ago and recently tuned in it just to see how it's changed. A lot of dumb shows like Cops, people who stalk dating couples, reality TV with ninjas (okay, I'll admit if you're 13 that might be interesting), sexual stuff (like people watching that channel are any good with women already), etc. Travel, Food, National Geographic, and CSPAN are okay depending on what is shown, but usually nothing I really care about.
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This is true. History channel airs lots of programs on... trucks?? Biography channels airs bios for... Farrah Fawcett? G4 used to have game-review shows...now everything is stupid run contests with lots of stupidity... where are scripted shows? Seinfeld wouldn't have a chance these days , but reality shows where you don't need much more creativity than what you need to device another way to expose people's greed and desperation for their fix of Warhol's 15 minutes are the rule...... BUT....
I wouldn't blame American Idol. First, let's get it straight. Don't blame the US for this, as that's a british creation...
Squonkman wrote:
Is it any wonder that progressive rock is now an "underground" movement when you have the travesty of American Idol slowly destroying the young fertile music tastes and minds of the youth culture? If anything, American Idol is a consequence, not the reason. Prog rock stopped being on the spotlight like... well, more than 20 years ago, with hardly any American Idols on air.... Do you think by the way that a true "intellectual society" would have prog as its biggest genre? I have my doubts. The "travesty" of American Idol doesn't destroy music tastes... i haven't seen anything about music creation there but music REPRODUCTION, it's a singing competition. It would've worked 20, 30 years ago, just probably with different music being played... I am so embarrassed that the show exists and has thrived here in the US. I would be more embarrased from countless other things, like re-electing a certain dummy, or seeing the econopmy go down the drain, or even, yes, the general stupidization of TV with the dissapearance of history and news than just for a singing competition. From the destruction of classic rock tunes (now even the Beatles catalog is being massacred) to the apparant insistence by the producers that everyone sing 18 notes per word ala Mariah Carey, I can't think of anything in modern society that is quite as insipid and vacuous as that show. I don't see rock tunes being destroyed. They are just... covered. As they are in many many places and ocasions. here is for the fame and money, ok, fine. Classical music has been used in advertising for hamburgers long ago and so what... music doesn't lose its value. in the end, after one of the contestants sings a beatles song, maybe some youth that didn't know them in the first place will go and buy the Beatles cd... i don't see why this hurts... other than a weird paranoia....Also, none demands 18 notes per word.... That's the style many choose, yes, but no.... If I know what I'm taking about is because I live with somenone that watches the show so I have had to watch it and I know what I'm talking about. there's talent from time to time.,.,. Of course many (if not all) contestants are there for a quick shot at fame... but there are talented people... What kind of long term damage is that show doing on the youth of America (and the world)? this is just laughable. First try to change the way America thinks (DOLLAR FIRST) and then maybe this big Satan of yours will dissapear...
My kids (thanks to my non prog loving wife) are suckered into that garbage and now recently American Idol goes PROG! Yep, someone did a Kansas tune on American Idol (Carry on Wayward Son). What's next, Paula Abdul singing In the Court of the Crimson King?I HOPE SO. BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEVER HEARD KANSAS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE THAT YOU< IN YOUR OWN EXCLUSIVE PROG BUBBLE WANT ONLY FOR YOU. Fine... king Crimson on American Idol? Ask fripp if he would like the publicity... you would be amazed at the answer.... and if he says no, well, let's do an anonymous poll in many prog artists, and let's see what they prefer....
We better cherish our progressive rock and work hard to fight against the rampant vacuousness that stuff like American Idol engenders.Fight with whom? THIS IS KILLING AMERICA, the "LET"S FIGHT" mentality.... Let's respect the right of people to like sh*t. Remember, disco almost killed off prog rock in the late 70s (don't buy that false 'punk killed prog rock' BS foisted on us by the editors of Rolling Stone---it was disco---I was there)You saw the murder and yet you're here... seems prog never died then... it just faded from the spotlight... but it's here, more alive than ever... or maybe we are all ghosts....; it can happen again. Support your prog festivals and go to concerts and educate the young'uns about the glories of prog so its not lost amidst the sea of mediocrity that American Idol represents. This sounds like a call for indoctrination. Well, I, for one, would NEVER do that. I'd give my children the CHANCE that many don't have to know not-so-famous artists like our prog musicians....but I'd let them decide... Yes! Let's educate our young ones! I agree! But let's start first in other areas like civility, respect to others, solidarity, the value of people vs the value of money, and million other things, and then I would start teaching them about the legends of prog...
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I was actually going to attempt to respond to this diatribe/critique but by the end I was laughing too hard. Especially the "call for indoctrination" part. What are you, part of the House Committee on Un-American Activities?
Sheesh, what a tool. 
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The T
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 01:00 |
Bluesaga wrote:
Even channels like CNN and History (how UFO Hunting is related to History is beyond me) are becoming worse over time. G4 is horrible now, I stopped watching it a few years ago and recently tuned in it just to see how it's changed. A lot of dumb shows like Cops, people who stalk dating couples, reality TV with ninjas (okay, I'll admit if you're 13 that might be interesting), sexual stuff (like people watching that channel are any good with women already), etc. Travel, Food, National Geographic, and CSPAN are okay depending on what is shown, but usually nothing I really care about.
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This is true. History channel airs lots of programs on... trucks?? Biography channels airs bios for... Farrah Fawcett? G4 used to have game-review shows...now everything is stupid run contests with lots of stupidity... where are scripted shows? Seinfeld wouldn't have a chance these days , but reality shows where you don't need much more creativity than what you need to device another way to expose people's greed and desperation for their fix of Warhol's 15 minutes are the rule...... BUT....
I wouldn't blame American Idol. First, let's get it straight. Don't blame the US for this, as that's a british creation...
Squonkman wrote:
Is it any wonder that progressive rock is now an "underground" movement when you have the travesty of American Idol slowly destroying the young fertile music tastes and minds of the youth culture? If anything, American Idol is a consequence, not the reason. Prog rock stopped being on the spotlight like... well, more than 20 years ago, with hardly any American Idols on air.... Do you think by the way that a true "intellectual society" would have prog as its biggest genre? I have my doubts. The "travesty" of American Idol doesn't destroy music tastes... i haven't seen anything about music creation there but music REPRODUCTION, it's a singing competition. It would've worked 20, 30 years ago, just probably with different music being played... I am so embarrassed that the show exists and has thrived here in the US. I would be more embarrased from countless other things, like re-electing a certain dummy, or seeing the econopmy go down the drain, or even, yes, the general stupidization of TV with the dissapearance of history and news than just for a singing competition. From the destruction of classic rock tunes (now even the Beatles catalog is being massacred) to the apparant insistence by the producers that everyone sing 18 notes per word ala Mariah Carey, I can't think of anything in modern society that is quite as insipid and vacuous as that show. I don't see rock tunes being destroyed. They are just... covered. As they are in many many places and ocasions. here is for the fame and money, ok, fine. Classical music has been used in advertising for hamburgers long ago and so what... music doesn't lose its value. in the end, after one of the contestants sings a beatles song, maybe some youth that didn't know them in the first place will go and buy the Beatles cd... i don't see why this hurts... other than a weird paranoia....Also, none demands 18 notes per word.... That's the style many choose, yes, but no.... If I know what I'm taking about is because I live with somenone that watches the show so I have had to watch it and I know what I'm talking about. there's talent from time to time.,.,. Of course many (if not all) contestants are there for a quick shot at fame... but there are talented people... What kind of long term damage is that show doing on the youth of America (and the world)? this is just laughable. First try to change the way America thinks (DOLLAR FIRST) and then maybe this big Satan of yours will dissapear...
My kids (thanks to my non prog loving wife) are suckered into that garbage and now recently American Idol goes PROG! Yep, someone did a Kansas tune on American Idol (Carry on Wayward Son). What's next, Paula Abdul singing In the Court of the Crimson King?I HOPE SO. BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEVER HEARD KANSAS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE THAT YOU< IN YOUR OWN EXCLUSIVE PROG BUBBLE WANT ONLY FOR YOU. Fine... king Crimson on American Idol? Ask fripp if he would like the publicity... you would be amazed at the answer.... and if he says no, well, let's do an anonymous poll in many prog artists, and let's see what they prefer....
We better cherish our progressive rock and work hard to fight against the rampant vacuousness that stuff like American Idol engenders.Fight with whom? THIS IS KILLING AMERICA, the "LET"S FIGHT" mentality.... Let's respect the right of people to like sh*t. Remember, disco almost killed off prog rock in the late 70s (don't buy that false 'punk killed prog rock' BS foisted on us by the editors of Rolling Stone---it was disco---I was there)You saw the murder and yet you're here... seems prog never died then... it just faded from the spotlight... but it's here, more alive than ever... or maybe we are all ghosts....; it can happen again. Support your prog festivals and go to concerts and educate the young'uns about the glories of prog so its not lost amidst the sea of mediocrity that American Idol represents. This sounds like a call for indoctrination. Well, I, for one, would NEVER do that. I'd give my children the CHANCE that many don't have to know not-so-famous artists like our prog musicians....but I'd let them decide... Yes! Let's educate our young ones! I agree! But let's start first in other areas like civility, respect to others, solidarity, the value of people vs the value of money, and million other things, and then I would start teaching them about the legends of prog...
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Mikerinos
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 23:16 |
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Couldn't agree more, Squonk. Television is a vast wasteland of garbage for the most part. Hmmm....I remember a line somewhere about "13 channels of sh*t on the TV to choose from, choose from, choose from.."
Cept today there are hundreds of channels of ....garbage. Yes, there are some worthwhile educational things and films that break through the squall of nonsense, but for the most part you have the American public gobbling up garbage like Idol, reality shows, and sitcoms. Tragic.
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Even channels like CNN and History (how UFO Hunting is related to History is beyond me) are becoming worse over time. G4 is horrible now, I stopped watching it a few years ago and recently tuned in it just to see how it's changed. A lot of dumb shows like Cops, people who stalk dating couples, reality TV with ninjas (okay, I'll admit if you're 13 that might be interesting), sexual stuff (like people watching that channel are any good with women already), etc. Travel, Food, National Geographic, and CSPAN are okay depending on what is shown, but usually nothing I really care about.
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rileydog22
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 23:03 |
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Basically the only only time I ever turn on the TV, it's to watch sports.
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Leningrad
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 22:40 |
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I'm 15. And I don't watch TV at all.
I'm also a 0.00000000001%.
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 22:29 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
It is vastly annoying, but I'm not too worried about our youth's taste in music. Taking statistics from this site, the largest age demographic is 15-18 (with over 600 people according to that age poll thingy). If the Internet didn't exist, I'd be a little more worried, but kids these days have access to just about everything. |
that is encouraging, but of course 600, who are not even all from the US, is a drop in the bucket compared to the marketing hype machine that shapes popular music tastes. Throw in the all consuming 'in your faceness' of hip hop, and its an uphill struggle---I know, I deal with it every day.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 22:25 |
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Couldn't agree more, Squonk. Television is a vast wasteland of garbage for the most part. Hmmm....I remember a line somewhere about "13 channels of sh*t on the TV to choose from, choose from, choose from.."
Cept today there are hundreds of channels of ....garbage. Yes, there are some worthwhile educational things and films that break through the squall of nonsense, but for the most part you have the American public gobbling up garbage like Idol, reality shows, and sitcoms. Tragic.
Edited by Finnforest - April 20 2008 at 22:26
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 22:21 |
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It is vastly annoying, but I'm not too worried about our youth's taste in music. Taking statistics from this site, the largest age demographic is 15-18 (with over 600 people according to that age poll thingy). If the Internet didn't exist, I'd be a little more worried, but kids these days have access to just about everything.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 22:13 |
Is it any wonder that progressive rock is now an "underground" movement when you have the travesty of American Idol slowly destroying the young fertile music tastes and minds of the youth culture? I am so embarrassed that the show exists and has thrived here in the US. From the destruction of classic rock tunes (now even the Beatles catalog is being massacred) to the apparant insistence by the producers that everyone sing 18 notes per word ala Mariah Carey, I can't think of anything in modern society that is quite as insipid and vacuous as that show. What kind of long term damage is that show doing on the youth of America (and the world)?
My kids (thanks to my non prog loving wife) are suckered into that garbage and now recently American Idol goes PROG! Yep, someone did a Kansas tune on American Idol (Carry on Wayward Son). What's next, Paula Abdul singing In the Court of the Crimson King?
We better cherish our progressive rock and work hard to fight against the rampant vacuousness that stuff like American Idol engenders. Remember, disco almost killed off prog rock in the late 70s (don't buy that false 'punk killed prog rock' BS foisted on us by the editors of Rolling Stone---it was disco---I was there); it can happen again. Support your prog festivals and go to concerts and educate the young'uns about the glories of prog so its not lost amidst the sea of mediocrity that American Idol represents.
Edited by Squonkman - April 20 2008 at 22:16
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