India and Christianity

Calling me thick when I have a 1st Class Honours Degree is futile.Having a 1st Class Honours Degree does not make me an expert on the Bible,but it kinda confirms I'm not stupid either.

Not true.. it just confirms that you probably test well from a local school, doesn't prove that you actually retained anything you've learned!  Evidently!

Over disclosure of personal matters that might lead many forum members to form a "negative" opinion of you, is ...a euphemism is needed..... "unfortunate" to say the least!

If people have a negative reaction to sex... then I'm not in the least bit interested in their opinions. Especially if they're not basing their negative opinion off a religious argument which they claim to not believe in.   Now if I said I stole from someone or hurt someone.. then I'd expect some negativity.

All you have achieved in this "debate" is prove that your mental faculties are not what you think they are.

Unlike you, I'm not here to get anyone else's approval... so your opinion of my mental faculties is useless, and pretty much just proves that you can't handle being put down by a woman.  Lashing out with the most riduculous arguments I've ever seen... You've proved my point about yourself more than I ever could....

The bulk of this discussion has been about whether the Scriptures are divinely inspired or man made. If you had actually read any of this, instead of making fatuous remarks, we would not be having this argument now.

Not true, because you argue from a point of non-belief anyway, which tends to skew any opinion you've put forth.  You also argue from a point of bashing, not discussion, so yes I read it all... and I responded... Deal with it!

You really are silly at times,not realising when you are "out of your depth", and you are obviously used to being humoured, but happily unaware of it.

Thats funny coming from the turd man.  You reaction to most comments is to lash out or make a cheesy joke because you really don't know how to respond.  I doubt I'm ever "out of my depth"...  I'm a pretty deep person!

You are an expert on ELP, and your knowledge of other bands is outstanding. Your experience of Progressive Rock music in general is far superior to mine and I respect you for that. You could be Progressive Rock music's 1st Agony Aunt-you are far more suited to this than you are to serious debate.

Oh, I think I've probably just as much experience in the world of religion as you do... and I think I've  handled your comical "serious" debate pretty well on my own... but thanks, Daddy!

arcer wrote: give it up dude, it's futile

 But who's to say what morals are.  You're throwing back at me some man's views on morality

This "man" being God.

That's the most stupid thing I've seen written in this whole discussion!

No, I have not been taught that "anyone who doesn't believe in everyword that the bible says must not be christian" I have deduced this from Maani's claim that Scripture is "God-breathed" If Scripture does not need to be followed why would God have "breathed it". This isnt Rocket Science 3F8T's, just a logical progression from what has been written.

So then evidently listening to one's man opinion is what you've based your debate on

There is no perfect way to be a christian... I can be one in any fashion I want to be one.. Its not up to you or Maani or anyone else to tell me how to be a good christian,  or for that matter... translate the bible for me....

No you cannot be a Christian however you want to be.You believe that all there is to being a Christian is to say you believe Christ was God. I think you are one of these people who likes to be seen to be doing the right thing, whether it is religion, charity or whatever. What you believe or do not believe is secondary to how you are perceived.

I've been taught that the basis of being a christian is to believe that "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everylasting life"... and that i do believe.  There is no where in the Bible that Christ says that to be sexual is to be immoral.  The bible was written by men, and by their moral standards.  I'll stand up for myself when the time comes... also perception is an earthly notion... and not necessary for an eternal life. 

There is no perfect rule book... and we don't all have to be the same or believe the same.. or even follow the same rules... Thats not smugness... thats just acceptance in what we are and the ability to not let someone like you tell us otherwise....

Threefates, I do not believe in God, or Jesus as God, so why would I want to tell you how to be a good Christian? I do not like Kentucky Fried Chicken, but I can read the instructions on how to make it for myself (if they were to allow me).  Because Reed, you take the words that you don't believe in order to convince me that what I believe is wrong... unlike the instructions for KFC which may be different per state or country... I follow what I feel is right in my heart.. and I can actually construct a computer table without instructions.. so I'm well ahead of the game...

Explain to me just exactly where I make childlike discussion? What do you believe I am trying to prove to myself? This has mainly been an intellectual excersise for me, a chance to debate something I know far more about than most people.  Your childlike discussion was saying something like its beliefs like mine that cause you to hate religion...I think that is a childish thing to say...Your intellectual exercise seems more like a "man who protests to much" to me...

BTW... whether or not I follow the rules regarding sex...I believe God knows whats in my heart in regard to my treatment of others and my love for those I've been with.. and will judge me accordingly.  Thats what I believe... you can believe what you want...!

It was a frivolous remark, but the Ten Commandments are pretty explicit. If you need a definition for "commandment", I will willingly provide you with one.

The ten commandments say 10 things I should not do.. and most of those I don't.  The ones that I would do... I'll take the responsibility for when the time comes.. but thats not me "not" believing or having faith in them... or not being a christian... thats just me following my own heart regardless of the consequences.  In every situation on earth there is a gray area.. christianity is not black and white... no faith is!

I dont like people sticking up for themselves? You will need to clarify that. I thought we were discussing Christianity! A good debate needs people to stick up for themselves, so it looks by the amount of pages this has run to, that people have been well up to it!  No a good debate needs people who can give their points of view.. not be belittled by others for their beliefs.

As for "making me feel smaller".....I wasn't trying to make you feel small.. I was reading into what you were saying and thats what I was seeing... thats just the perception as you say...

I think it was up to you whether you entered this debate. You could see that I was one of the main contributors, so if you do not like me you should not have got int debate with me.  Your assumption again.. because actually as I've said before.. I'm quite fond of you. Even after all you do to hurt me at times...

Christianity is all about morality, so it was reasonable, given the direction the discussion had taken, to mention your morals.  But who's to say what morals are.  You're throwing back at me some man's views on morality.  And really you don't know me well enough to judge my morality.

 If this upset you, I am sorry, but I wouldnt have known any of this if you hadnt taken delight in venturing this information on numerous occasions. If you feel the need to belittle me because I have voiced this-oh well!!  I wasn't upset evidently.. believe me you can tell when I'm upset.. I just think you spend way to much time trying to convince others how to think when you evidently don't have a clue yourself... and if you think thats belittling you then... oh well...

What?

So if I get thrown off this site for not following its rules, I am in a better light than someone who has chosen not to join?

Your "beliefs" are part of what I hate about religion and what other non-believers have expressed in various threads.

You nail your colours to an idea that is totally ridiculous. A child's way of describing how "life" works, a simplistic embarrassment. You claim to believe in Christ, as God, yet want to cherrypick which bits of his "laws/rules/ideas" you wish to follow-with the totally fallacious assumption that Christ's teachings allow this-despite the word of God being his law.
Nowhere in any Biblical text is there a rider-"just try your best and you will be ok" this is made up by people like you as an alternative to actually practising their religion.

Your smugness is very Christian btw. If you do genuinely believe in Christ, as God, I suggest you turn to Maani for some guidance-before it is too late!

Ite about religion and what other non-believers have expressed in various threads.

You nail your colours to an idea that is totally ridiculous. A child's way of describing how "life" works, a simplistic embarrassment. You claim to believe in Christ, as God, yet want to cherrypick which bits of his "laws/rules/ideas" you wish to follow-with the totally fallacious assumption that Christ's teachings allow this-despite the word of God being his law.
Nowhere in any Biblical text is there a rider-"just try your best and you will be ok" this is made up by people like you as an alternative to actually practising their religion.

Your smugness is very Christian btw. If you do genuinely believe in Christ, as God, I suggest you turn to Maani for some guidance-before it is too late!

threefates wrote: Reed Lover wrote: It is pointless, as you hint, discussing this as your mind is blinded and befuddled by religious zeal. I think that blind and befuddled thing goes both ways in this thread....  Both ends of the arguement seem just as devout and confused to me... Until there is actual proof one way or the other... I'm sticking with Emidar's aunt....

.There is not a shred of evidence for any of the stuff that Maani and JrKasp has said. If I just said "prove it" after every one of their statements I would not be deemed "confused" would I? How can you be confused about something that has absolutely no hard evidence to back it up?