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Interesting list. Would have been been interesting to weight number of ratings based on overall number so that it's not as heavily weighted to RYM. For example if DSOTM has the most ratings on either scale it gets a 100 score and all albums get a percentage applied. I'd also not stick to one album per band on this sort of list.
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An "all-time top albums list" doesn't quite seem right while limiting bands to one submission per. The Beatles, the Stones, Elton John, U2, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Coldplay, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, W.A Mozart, J.S. Bach, and Giacomo Puccini mitred down to one single album? Might as well be a "greatest hits" album! Tull's M.U., ELP's Works, The Beatles' red and/or blue compilation albums, Floyd's Echoes, or a band's live album!
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Cool list. One release per band is excellent. Some essential artists, imo, that were overlooked.
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"... as the RYM scale goes from zero to five, I'd have transformed this as (1+x)*5/6 first in order to transform it to 1-5 as the PA scale goes." By the way, could that be some of the explanation for why PA averages tend to be quite a lot higher than RYM's?
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David_D
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Lewian wrote:
"... as the RYM scale goes from zero to five, I'd have transformed this as (1+x)*5/6 first in order to transform it to 1-5 as the PA scale goes." Sorry, I misunderstood your question about this. And I guess, what you suggest would be most exactly. Edit: But I'm not quite sure about that.
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Not meant as a criticism but rather because I tend to be obsessed with this kind of thing... as the RYM scale goes from zero to five, I'd have transformed this as (1+x)*5/6 first in order to transform it to 1-5 as the PA scale goes.
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Saperlipopette wrote: "Good to know! Better than any proglist I've ever seen in any magazine/or made by "experts". "Thank you very much for your appreciation, and in all my humble opinion, I agree because it's much more "democratic", meaning representive for the general opinion.
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Oh, and I do need Thick as a Brick as well
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Good to know! Better than any proglist I've ever seen in any magazine/or made by "experts". Here's my personal favorite 50 out of the top 100. The ca. 30 first are essential to me, and I need to own the 20 next ones as well. Quite indifferent to the rest of these: Robert Wyatt (UK) : Rock Bottom (1974)
Gong (F) : You (1974) Tangerine Dream (D) : Phaedra (1974) Soft Machine (UK) : Third (1970) Klaus Schulze (D) : Mirage (1977) Comus (UK) : First Utterance (1971) King Crimson (UK) : In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969) Peter Hammill (UK) : The Silent Corner And… (1974) Van Der Graaf Generator (UK) : Pawn Hearts (1971) Roy Harper (UK) : Stormcock (1971) Miles Davis (US) : Bitches Brew (1970) Camel (UK) : Mirage (1974) Can (D) : Tago Mago (1971) Amon Düül II (D) : Yeti (1970) Area (I) : Arbeit Macht Frei (1973) Hatfield and the North (UK) : Hatfield and the North (1974) Santana (US) : Caravanserai (1972) Premiata Forneria Marconi (I) : Per Un Amico (1972) Flower Travellin’ Band (J) : Satori (1971) Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso (I) : Darwin! (1972) Steve Hackett (UK) : Voyage Of The Acolyte (1975) Aphrodite’s Child (Gre) : 666 (1972) Magma (F) : Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh (1973) Ash Ra Tempel (D) : Ash Ra Tempel (1971) Museo Rosenbach (I) : Zarathustra (1973) Le Orme (I) : Felona E Sorona (1973) Frank Zappa (US) : Hot Rats (1969) Genesis (UK) : Selling England By The Pound (1973) Yes (UK) : Close To The Edge (1972) Caravan (UK) : In The Land Of Grey And Pink (1971) Jean-Michel Jarre (F) : Oxygene (1976) Godspeed You! Black Emperor (CAN) : Lift Yr. Skinny… (2000) Faust (D) : Faust IV (1974) Pink Floyd (UK) : The Dark Side Of the Moon (1973) Black Sabbath (UK) : Paranoid (1970) Wishbone Ash (UK) : Argus (1972) The Moody Blues (UK) : Days Of Future Passed (1967) The Mothers (US) : The Grand Wazoo (1972) Gentle Giant (UK) : Octopus (1972) Mr. Bungle (US) : California (1999) NEU! (D) : NEU! (1972) Kayo Dot (US) : Choirs Of the Eye (2003) T2 (UK) : It’ll All Work out in Boomland (1970) Tool (US) : Lateralus (2001) Il Balletto di Bronzo (I) : Ys (1972) Traffic (UK) : John Barleycorn Must Die (1970) Kraftwerk (D) : Autobahn (1974) Opeth (S) : Blackwater Park (2001) Popol Vuh (D) : In den Gärten Pharaos (1971) Renaissance (UK) : Scheherazade And Other Stories (1975) |
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The average is weighted according to the number of raters on RYM and PA respectively, as the number of ratings is mostly much larger on RYM then PA. That is why this list is particularly interesting comparing to PA list.
And yes, the recalculation to 15-scale is just multiplication of the average by 3. Edited by David_D - October 31 2021 at 04:29 |
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Fine by me to have a thread like this and nice work. We have discussed pros and cons of various Top 100s for a long time, here's another one. Why not? Question: What exactly did you do? Did you average RYM and PA 50/50, or did you weight them somehow (e.g., number of raters)? What exactly does "recalculation to 15-scale" mean? As far as I can see, RYM goes from 0 to 5, PA from 1 to 5, do you mean you transformed both of them linearly to 1-15 or 0-15? |
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Psychedelic Paul wrote:
"Good work with compiling this list." Thank you. As you can imagine, it has been quite a bit of work, and quite a lot of thinking and making choices.
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About the numbers, the first one is the average of all the ratings, recalculated from 5-scale to 15-scale, and the second number is the total of all the ratings. My intention of this thread is to present relatively objective (more proper, intersubjective) top 100 as a recommendation of what can be said to be generally considered among the very best albums - yes, meant as a recommendation of or orientation about.
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Good work with compiling this list. These are the albums from your list that I'd include in my own personal Top 200:-
Pink Floyd (UK) : The Dark Side Of the Moon (1973) 12,7 (44.900 r.) King Crimson (UK) : In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969) 13,0 (32.100 r.) Yes (UK) : Close To The Edge (1972) 12,7 (18.900 r.) Genesis (UK) : Selling England By The Pound (1973) 12,6 (14.700 r.) Camel (UK) : Mirage (1974) 12,3 (8.700 r.) Dream Theater (US) : Images And Words (1992) 11,5 (11.600 r.) Caravan (UK) : In The Land Of Grey And Pink (1971) 12,0 (6.400 r.) Emerson, Lake & Palmer (UK) : Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970) 11,6 (6.300 r.) Mike Oldfield (UK) : Ommadown (1975) 12,0 (4.500 r.) Renaissance (UK) : Scheherazade And Other Stories (1975) 12,1 (3.000 r.) Steve Hackett (UK) : Voyage Of The Acolyte (1975) 12,0 (3.100 r.) Wishbone Ash (UK) : Argus (1972) 11,8 (4.100 r.) The Moody Blues (UK) : Days Of Future Passed (1967) 11,6 (5.600 r.) Khan (UK) : Space Shanty (1972) 12,0 (2.000 r.) Flower Travellin’ Band (J) : Satori (1971) 11,4 (3.600 r.) Focus (NL) : Hamburger Concerto (1974) 12,0 (2.100 r.) IQ (UK) : The Road of Bones (2014) 12,0 (1.800 r.) The Alan Parsons Project (US) : Tales Of Mystery… (1976) 11,4 (3.100 r.) Ayreon (NL) : The Human Equation (2004) 11,3 (3.900 r.) Eloy (D) : Ocean (1977) 11,7 (2.500 r.) Nektar (UK) : A Tab In The Ocean (1972) 11,6 (2.100 r.) Rick Wakeman (UK) : The Six Wives Of Henry VIII (1973) 11,4 (2.200 r.) |
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Apart from it being a list of albums with some numbers (ratings?) which quite frankly I can't make head or tail of, I can't see what this thread is all about.
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Well, it's meant as a "recommendation", or for the curious ones.
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so what is the thread question? What are we supposed to do?
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Top 100 all-time of Progressive Rock as a meta-genre. Made in March-April 2019 based on all the ratings on RateYourMusic and ProgArchives but only 1 (studio) album from each band is included. The averages of all the ratings are weighted according to the number of raters on RYM and PA respectively, and then recalculated to 15-scale. Pink Floyd (UK) :
The Dark Side Of the Moon
(1973) 12,7 (44.900 r.) King Crimson (UK) : In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969) 13,0 (32.100 r.) Yes (UK) :
Close To The Edge (1972)
12,7
(18.900 r.) Godspeed You! Black Emperor (CAN)
: Lift Yr. Skinny… (2000) 12,5 (23.500 r.) Genesis (UK) : Selling England By The Pound (1973)
12,6
(14.700 r.) Jethro Tull (UK) : Thick As A Brick (1972) 12,6 (11.900 r.) Can (D) : Tago Mago (1971) 12,3 (16.600 r.) Frank Zappa (US) :
Hot Rats (1969) 12,3 (14.900 r.) Tool (US) :
Lateralus (2001)
11,9 (16.500
r.) Rush (CAN) :
Moving Pictures (1981)
12,0
(13.200 r.) Opeth (S) : Blackwater Park (2001)
11,9
(13.300 r.) Porcupine Tree (UK) :
In Absentia (2002)
11,7
(11.200 r.) The Mars Volta (US) :
De-Loused In The Comatorium
(2003) 11,5 (13.500 r.) Camel (UK) :
Mirage (1974) 12,3 (8.700 r.) Van Der Graaf
Generator (UK) : Pawn Hearts
(1971) 12,2 (6.800 r.) Robert Wyatt (UK) :
Rock Bottom (1974) 12,0 (8.000 r.) Comus (UK) : First Utterance (1971)
12,0
(7.500 r.) Dream Theater (US) :
Images And Words (1992)
11,5
(11.600 r.) Mastodon (US) :
Crack the Skye (2009) 11,6 (9.400 r.) Caravan (UK) :
In The Land Of Grey And Pink
(1971) 12,0 (6.400 r.) Soft Machine (UK) :
Third (1970) 11,9 (6.800 r.) Gentle Giant (UK) : Octopus (1972) 11,9 (6.200 r.) Faust (D) :
Faust IV (1974) 11,7 (7.100 r.) NEU! (D) : NEU! (1972) 11,5 (9.000 r.) Captain Beefheart (US) : Trout Mask Replica (1969) 11,2 (12.000 r.) Marillion (UK) : Misplaced Childhood (1985) 11,8 (6.000 r.) Mahavishnu
Orchestra (US) : Birds of Fire (1973)
11,9
(4.900 r.) The Mothers (US) :
The Grand Wazoo (1972) 11,9 (4.800 r.) Amon Düül II (D) :
Yeti (1970) 11,7 (6.300 r.) Queensryche (US)
: Operation : Mindcrime (1988)
11,7 (6.200 r.) Premiata Forneria
Marconi (I) : Per Un Amico
(1972) 12,3 (3.600 r.) Atheist (US) :
Unquestionable Presence (1991) 11,7 (5.700) Mr. Bungle (US) : California
(1999) 11,6 (6.800) Emerson, Lake &
Palmer (UK) : Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970)
11,6
(6.300 r.) Mike Oldfield (UK) :
Ommadown (1975) 12,0 (4.500 r.) Änglagård
(S) : Hybris (1992)
12,2
(3.400 r.) Tangerine Dream (D) : Phaedra
(1974) 11,5 (6.300 r.) Steven Wilson (UK) :
The Raven that Refused… (2013) 11,5 (6.200 r.) Riverside (PL) :
Second Life Syndrome (2005) 11,9 (4.200 r.) Harmonium (CAN) :
Si On Avait Besoin… (1975) 12,1 (3.400 r.) Renaissance (UK) :
Scheherazade And Other Stories
(1975) 12,1 (3.000 r.) Wishbone Ash (UK) :
Argus (1972) 11,8 (4.100 r.) Pain of Salvation (S) :
Remedy Lane (2002) 11,8 (3.800 r.) Hawkwind (UK) :
Space Ritual (1973) 12,0 (3.200 r.) Steve Hackett (UK) :
Voyage Of The Acolyte (1975) 12,0 (3.100 r.) The Moody Blues (UK) : Days Of Future Passed (1967) 11,6 (5.600 r.) Magma (F) : Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh (1973)
11,6 (5.100 r.) Santana (US) :
Caravanserai (1972) 11,8 (3.100 r.) Edge of Sanity (S) : Crimson
(1996) 11,7 (4.200 r.) Museo Rosenbach (I) :
Zarathustra (1973) 12,1 (2.100 r.) Gong (F) :
You (1974) 11,7 (3.500 r.) Cynic (US) :
Focus (1993) 11,3 (5.700 r.) Kansas (US) :
Leftoverture (1976) 11,6 (3.700 r.) Jean-Michel Jarre (F) : Oxygene (1976) 11,4 (4.600 r.) Peter Hammill (UK) :
The Silent Corner And… (1974) 12,0 (2.200 r.) Uriah Heep (UK) :
Look at Yourself (1971) 11,7 (3.000 r.) Voivod (CAN) :
Nothingface ( 1989) 11,7 (2.800 r.) Focus (NL) : Hamburger Concerto (1974) 12,0 (2.100 r.) Khan (UK) :
Space Shanty (1972) 12,0 (2.000 r.) Devin Townsend (CAN) :
Terria (2001) 11,6 (3.400 r.) Maudlin of the
Well (US) : Bath (2001) 11,5 (3.900 r.) Bacamarte (Bra) :
Depois Do Fim (1983) 12,1 (1.600 r.) Kayo Dot (US) :
Choirs Of the Eye (2003) 11,4 (3.700 r.) Flower Travellin’ Band (J) : Satori (1971) 11,4 (3.600 r.) IQ (UK) :
The Road of Bones (2014) 12,0 (1.800 r.) Le Orme (I) : Felona
E Sorona (1973) 11,9 (2.200 r.) Popol Vuh (D) :
In den Gärten Pharaos (1971) 11,4 (3.300 r.) Traffic (UK) :
John Barleycorn Must Die (1970)
11,4
(3.200 r.) The Alan Parsons
Project (US) : Tales Of Mystery… (1976) 11,4 (3.100 r.) Big Big Train (UK) :
English Electric (Part One) (2012) 12,1 (1.400 r.) Al Di Meola (US) :
Elegant Gypsy (1977) 11,8 (2.400 r.) Ayreon (NL) : The Human Equation (2004)
11,3
(3.900 r.) Phideaux (US) :
Doomsday Afternoon (2007) 12,0 (1.500 r.) Between the Buried
and Me (US) : Colors
(2007) 10,9 (5.300 r.) Arcturus (N) :
The Sham Mirros (2002) 11,3 (3.600 r.) Transatlantic (US) :
Bridge Across Forever (2001)
11,8
(2.000 r.) Roy Harper (UK) :
Stormcock (1971) 11,7 (2.700 r.) Eloy (D) :
Ocean (1977) 11,7 (2.500 r.) Area (I) :
Arbeit Macht Frei (1973) 11,7 (2.500 r.) Billy Cobham (US) :
Spectrum (1973) 11,7 (2.400 r.) T2 (UK) :
It’ll All Work out in Boomland (1970)
11,7
(2.200 r.) Hatfield and the
North (UK) : Hatfield and the North (1974)
11,7
(2.100 r.) Haken (UK) :
The Mountain (2013) 11,5 (2.800 r.) Captain Beyond (US) : Captain Beyond (1972)
11,5
(2.700 r.) Ash Ra Tempel (D) :
Ash Ra Tempel (1971) 11,3 (3.200 r.) Nektar (UK) :
A Tab In The Ocean (1972) 11,6 (2.100 r.) Colosseum (UK) :
Valentyne Suite (1969) 11,6 (2.100 r.) Return to
Forever (US) : Romantic Warrior (1976)
11,5
(2.300 r.) Symphony X (US) : The Divine Wings Of Tragedy (1997)
11,4
(2.800 r.) Manuel
Göttsching (D) : E2-E4
(1984) 11,4 (2.700 r.) Negura Bunget (Rom) : Om
(2006) 11,3 (3.100 r.) Aphrodite’s Child (Gre) :
666 (1972)
11,2 (3.700 r.) Bubu (ARG) :
Anabelas (1978) 11,9 (1.400 r.) Triana (ESP) :
El Patio (1975) 11,8 (1.600 r.) Anathema (UK) :
A Natural Disaster (2003) 11,2 (3.400 r.) Il Balletto di
Bronzo (I) : Ys
(1972) 11,7 (1.800 r.) Spock’s Beard (US) :
V (2000) 11,7 (1.800 r.) Invisible (ARG) :
El Jardin de los Presentes (1976) 11,9 (1.300 r.) Klaus Schulze (D) :
Mirage (1977) 11,7 (1.700 r.) Rick Wakeman (UK) : The Six Wives Of Henry VIII (1973) 11,4 (2.200 r.) To see an additional part to this list, top 100-160 look here: Top 100-160 all-time as rated on RYM and PA Edit: The definition of Progressive Rock as a meta-genre, I've used as a basis for this list, is following: 1. be a synthesis/fusion of Rock (significantly present) and at least one of other "main genres": Classical, Jazz, Folk, electronic avant-garde or other avant-garde, AND 2. be rather complex or at least to some extent experimental in another way than #1. ”electronic avant-garde” is here primarily Musique Concrete and Minimalism while ”other avant-garde” include Free and Avant-Jazz and Contemporary Classical. For the full description and considerations regarding this definition look here How to define and classify Progressive Rock? Edited by David_D - October 25 2024 at 04:08 |
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