And Then There Were Three: Genesis

SteveG wrote: Tom Ozric wrote: Ain't Spector in jail ?? FYFM does sport a pretty cool ARP solo from Banks, don't recall hearing that in any ABBA song (although I do have the LP of The Visitors). I know he's in jail.  You know he's in jail, but does Svetonio know?

In fact, Wall of Sound was developed for the Grateful Dead by Owsley "Bear" Stanley, the sound-engineer who was actually released from jail one year earlier

As Stanley described it,

"The Wall of Sound is the name some people gave to a super powerful, extremely accurate PA system that I designed and supervised the building of in 1973 for the Grateful Dead. It was a massive wall of speaker arrays set behind the musicians, which they themselves controlled without a front of house mixer. It did not need any delay towers to reach a distance of half a mile from the stage without degradation."

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Tom Ozric wrote: Kati wrote: Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx OMG ........this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.......so help me...........(my sis worships Gilmour, and can't stand Waters !!!!!)

Kati wrote: Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

OMG ........this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.......so help me...........(my sis worships Gilmour, and can't stand Waters !!!!!)

Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

Tom Ozric wrote: ^ you (obviously) love this period of Genesis like my sister....... .......and subsequently, she can enjoy at least Nursey Cryme stuff onwards......

Tom Ozric wrote: Oh dear, Phil and Chester ..... ...... Very nice - thanks Kati

Ok I am quite ignorant here, not necessary ignoring the previous comments but the topic title peaked my interest and you might enjoy this  I think drums galore

^Absolutely correct, Laz. it's always difficult to describe sound but your explanation was perfect in this circumstance.

prog4evr wrote: SteveG wrote: Blacksword wrote: prog4evr wrote: bloodnarfer wrote: ...The album seems to have a very mushy quality that I'm just not crazy about... That's what it is.  I just could not put the right word to it, but "mushy" defines it for me too... <div style="display:none;" id="__if72ru4sdfsdfruh7fewui_once"><div style="display:none;" id="__hggasdgjhsagd_once"> It's arguably Hentchels weakest production job, but I don't think that ruins the songs on the album.  WTF?  This is actually a superb recording with Hentschel able to approximate a "Wall of Sound' without sacrificing any details of the music or vocals. Hentshel's use of ADT (automatic double tracking) numerous times on Collin's vocals in order produce a pleated effect on the song's choruses is still trying to be emulated to this day.   Perhaps you don't care for the dense sound this style of production creates, which would be a matter of taste, and that's understandable. As the thread up to this point indicates, we beg to differ with your opinion on the supposed "wall of sound" (what the f**k is that exactly?)

The Wall of Sound, created by 50's producer Phil Spector, was a dense sound mix of live musicians recorded in an echo chamber and over treated with reverb. It has since been abandoned in modern recording so that any dense sound mix, now manipulated with specific limiting and compression levels, is referred to as a "wall of sound" (note that the term is now in quotations) style of production. Basically, a slang expression for a thick, dense or foggy sound mix that robs the breathing space that surrounds the instruments and/or vocals and in extreme cases, detail. I don't like to use the expression myself, but others in this thread already did, so I just followed suit. And this is exactly the f**k a "wall of sound" is.

Edited by SteveG - November 19 2014 at 12:15

Well, The fact is that "Follow Me Follow You" was the song I first slow danced to at my wedding in 1988 and that it still has a knicker-loosening effect on my mrs sort of defines it's genre! It's up there with the boy-bands and rest of the mushier forms of music - and it IS a pop album. It's not even cross-over! there is no track on it that can't be danced to and that wouldn't immediately be sl*g.ed off by teeny-boppers...It is a CD that will remain in my collection un-played till I make like the Norwegian-blue! I have probably 1000 CD's that would be higher up the pecking order and that obviously includes the seven genesis albums which preceded it and are all at least ten-times better! and 1,000,000 times better when the album is SEBTP!