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rogerthat
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 22:53 |
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Jethro by far. Come on. Thick as a Brick and Aqualung. Zep can't compete with that kind of musicianship |
I don't neccesarily disagree with that but then, JT also had the luxury of at least more musician (and my Madison square garden DVD has a line up of six musicians) which does make a difference. Anyhow, as between Plant and Anderson, I know who I prefer and I can't say I prefer Page over Barre, for all that the former is such an influential figure in rock. Cannot call Barlow v/s Bonham, both amazing. I find both a bit excessive in different ways. There's a bit too much of showmanship and not enough composition for my liking, but that's just me and I always say that over the top bands have a place in rock and are quite an important part of the package. I think the fact that Anderson is so versatile gives Tull more options vis-a-vis LZ and their sound is also more British than LZ, which I like.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 20:40 |
Dellinger wrote:
hobocamp wrote:
Isn't that a recorder, not a flute, on the intro to Stairway?
Nevertheless, nothing Ian could contribute would improve that turd (except possibly lyrics about rock critics having sex with underaged boys).
Lol kidding, of course. I love Zep but hate that track |
It sounds like a real flute to me, but I might be mistaken, of course. |
When played live it was a mellotron, in the studio it was likely JPJ on a recorder using multiple tracks.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 19:15 |
Jethro by far. Come on. Thick as a Brick and Aqualung. Zep can't compete with that kind of musicianship
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ole-the-first
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 15:38 |
Zep
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Lifeofprog
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 11:48 |
That's a tough call,while both bands had their respective roots in folk,blues and rock. Tull was much more of a prog' band.Zep' as latter albums can attest to were more interested in playing music in a rock context.I don't think you can compare the two really,they both are outstanding bands in their own right
Edited by Lifeofprog - October 19 2012 at 13:09
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WisdomBeginsInWonder
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 07:21 |
Jethro Tull,for sure
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 05:38 |
It's most definitely a recorder.
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 18 2012 at 18:30 |
hobocamp wrote:
Isn't that a recorder, not a flute, on the intro to Stairway?
Nevertheless, nothing Ian could contribute would improve that turd (except possibly lyrics about rock critics having sex with underaged boys).
Lol kidding, of course. I love Zep but hate that track |
It sounds like a real flute to me, but I might be mistaken, of course.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 18 2012 at 17:44 |
DiamondDog wrote:
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tary wrote:
of course, Jethro Tull!!!!!!!!! Thick as a Brick , a Passion Play, Aqualung, Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses and so many other genius albums! Jethro Tull would beat OVERRATED Led Zeppelin with just Thick As A Brick! Tull never stole music unlike Zeppelin, whose best songs are just stolen from earlier blues bands! | no need to post twice-- Tull stole plenty of music, they were a blues/folk/rock band and as most bands based in those mediums, like say Zeppelin, they derive not just inspiration but a good deal of material; they lift, poach, borrow, and flat-out steal sometimes. So did the Stones, Hendrix, Cream. Oh and the countless bands since that take from Zeppelin itself. | According to Tull's manager, the title and idea for "Living in the Past" came from a Clouds song in the Scrapbook album. Then again, I wouldn't say Jethro was particularly guilty of robbing Peter, Paul, and Mary, the band seems very generally very original to me. |
You mean as opposed to Zep, one of the most unique groups of the late 60s ?
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hobocamp
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Posted: October 18 2012 at 15:50 |
Isn't that a recorder, not a flute, on the intro to Stairway?
Nevertheless, nothing Ian could contribute would improve that turd (except possibly lyrics about rock critics having sex with underaged boys).
Lol kidding, of course. I love Zep but hate that track
Edited by hobocamp - October 18 2012 at 15:53
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DiamondDog
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Posted: October 17 2012 at 11:32 |
Atavachron wrote:
tary wrote:
of course, Jethro Tull!!!!!!!!! Thick as a Brick , a Passion Play, Aqualung, Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses and so many other genius albums! Jethro Tull would beat OVERRATED Led Zeppelin with just Thick As A Brick! Tull never stole music unlike Zeppelin, whose best songs are just stolen from earlier blues bands! | no need to post twice-- Tull stole plenty of music, they were a blues/folk/rock band and as most bands based in those mediums, like say Zeppelin, they derive not just inspiration but a good deal of material; they lift, poach, borrow, and flat-out steal sometimes. So did the Stones, Hendrix, Cream. Oh and the countless bands since that take from Zeppelin itself.
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According to Tull's manager, the title and idea for "Living in the Past" came from a Clouds song in the Scrapbook album. Then again, I wouldn't say Jethro was particularly guilty of robbing Peter, Paul, and Mary, the band seems very generally very original to me.
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 16 2012 at 19:01 |
Atavachron wrote:
tary wrote:
of course, Jethro Tull!!!!!!!!!Thick as a Brick , a Passion Play, Aqualung, Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses and so many other genius albums! Jethro Tull would beat OVERRATED Led Zeppelin with just Thick As A Brick! Tull never stole music unlike Zeppelin, whose best songs are just stolen from earlier blues bands! | no need to post twice-- Tull stole plenty of music, they were a blues/folk/rock band and as most bands based in those mediums, like say Zeppelin, they derive not just inspiration but a good deal of material; they lift, poach, borrow, and flat-out steal sometimes. So did the Stones, Hendrix, Cream. Oh and the countless bands since that take from Zeppelin itself. |
I thought Jethro Tull always printed the right credits on the songs on their albums...
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DiamondDog
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Posted: October 16 2012 at 14:45 |
Jethro for me by a country mile
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Barbu
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 20:51 |
I prefer Tull but Zep is a Titan, no match for poor ol' Jethro.
No vote.
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Nash
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 20:51 |
like both of them, but ill prefer a little bit more Led Zeppelin
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 19:43 |
Yes he is
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 19:40 |
Still, ... I'm with Tull. Anderson is a great songwriter.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 19:36 |
tary wrote:
of course, Jethro Tull!!!!!!!!! Thick as a Brick , a Passion Play, Aqualung, Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses and so many other genius albums! Jethro Tull would beat OVERRATED Led Zeppelin with just Thick As A Brick! Tull never stole music unlike Zeppelin, whose best songs are just stolen from earlier blues bands! |
no need to post twice-- Tull stole plenty of music, they were a blues/folk/rock band and as most bands based in those mediums, like say Zeppelin, they derive not just inspiration but a good deal of material; they lift, poach, borrow, and flat-out steal sometimes. So did the Stones, Hendrix, Cream. Oh and the countless bands since that take from Zeppelin itself.
Edited by Atavachron - October 15 2012 at 19:39
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 19:13 |
aginor wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I really like many songs of Led Zeppelin, they have so many classics, not all of which I like as much, but those I do like are among the best songs I could think of. However, Jethro Tull has many such songs too, and I have ended up finding many more songs I really like from Tull, and that rocking flute is really wonderful, so I have to go with Tull. I would have thought that here Tull would have the clear advantage in votes, but I guess Zeppelin is just too great a band here. Once I did a poll comparing Zeppelin with Rush, and so far Rush did better, having the clear advantage for a long time. Though last time I saw the poll surfacing around, I think Zeppelin had at last gotten their (minor) lead.
On a bit unrelated question, anyone knows who plays the flute on Stairway to Heaven? I never saw it credited on the album, or anywhere else, and I believe it must be a real flute, not synths. I know both Zeppelin and Tull were on the same studio when Zeppelin recorded the fourth album, so I might like to wonder if by chance it could have been Anderson, though certainly I haven't read anything at all from him saying such thing might have happened.
Also, when Zeppelin and Tull toured together, I think it would have been great if Anderson had guested on that song playing the flute live with them, but I believe that never actually happened, quiet a lost oportunity, in my opinion. | JPJ is a multi instrumentalist, so it can be very much he who plays the flute, as he also does the most of the piano, arrangements, and mellotrons, as he have a degree in music, he knows more then play bass, he also can rock a warr bass and chapman stick.
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However, if JPJ had actually played the flute in the studio version, then why did he play that part with keyboards when they played it live. Surely, a flute isn't such a big instrument that he couldn't carry one for that song. For me, the song does sound less appealing on it's live versions, mainly because of the lack of a real flute there.
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Posted: October 15 2012 at 19:10 |
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