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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2013 at 03:12
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good God this thing has been going since '08
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2013 at 03:10
good God this thing has been going since '08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2013 at 03:08
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

And I suppose the changes that Happiness is a Warm Gun passes through is very standard and popular?

And how about the middle section of Day in a Life, especially the piano, which dances in and out of time?  I could go on and on, but the question is how much of post-Help Beatles have you paid attention to.   Especially beyond Rubber Soul, whether or not it is prog, it becomes very obvious that it is not regular run of the mill pop anymore.  Beatles influence on Fripp and many other musicians of the time is well documented and needs no re-iteration.  

Are you, by the way, also going to deny the influence of Simon & Garfunkel on Yes?  These great 60s rock bands may not have come up with the epic structure and extended sections we associate with prog but they provided the meat, the melodies and the harmonies, where prog rock bands were not always the most original and were happy to lean on 60s music or the classical masters for inspiration.  I don't deride that because that's how music is made, but credit where it's due, please.  

Without LZ, there would be no Rush.  Without Beatles or S&G, there would be no Yes or Genesis.  And so it goes.   The 60s was an explosive period in rock music and it is sad if we are going to devalue it only because it's not epic or technical or whatever.  

 
Boy you sure like to put words in people's mouths..Where did I say they were not epic? Whether I believe that or not, I never said that. I never brought up any other artist like you have......Why are you bringing Yes and S&G into this discussion? What do they have to do with the poll question? I never insinuated any denial with regard to your question...I am not interested in that discussion, you can have it with someone else if you like. I don't care what you think influenced who on who....That is 100% subjective and your opinion and that is fine, no arguement from me. If you said the Beatles influenced Mastodon and Carrie Underwood, ok fine whatever...its your opinion, that's all.
 
Where I have a problem is where you seem to know for sure that without Zeppelin there would be no Rush and without Beatles and S&G there would be no Yes or Genesis.
I have no idea that without Elvis, Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard..there would be no Beatles.......but I am sure you will tell me.
 
I have no desire to continue with this discussion path........How you feel about what I feel means nothing to me and if you find some displeasure in me not liking the Beatles...oh well, nothing I can do to change that
 
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Catcher10, no one is having a go at you here. Rogerthat has a valid argument, he is trying to explain why the Beatles deserve more credit especially in regards to your comment about The Beatles being nothing but a pop band and that you consider Lady Gaga plus Madonna superior musicians to them.
Also there's nothing wrong in not liking The Beatles, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2013 at 00:05
^ Easy, rider. There is no reason to personalize this. No one was assuming anything about your feelings.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 23:53
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

And I suppose the changes that Happiness is a Warm Gun passes through is very standard and popular?

And how about the middle section of Day in a Life, especially the piano, which dances in and out of time?  I could go on and on, but the question is how much of post-Help Beatles have you paid attention to.   Especially beyond Rubber Soul, whether or not it is prog, it becomes very obvious that it is not regular run of the mill pop anymore.  Beatles influence on Fripp and many other musicians of the time is well documented and needs no re-iteration.  

Are you, by the way, also going to deny the influence of Simon & Garfunkel on Yes?  These great 60s rock bands may not have come up with the epic structure and extended sections we associate with prog but they provided the meat, the melodies and the harmonies, where prog rock bands were not always the most original and were happy to lean on 60s music or the classical masters for inspiration.  I don't deride that because that's how music is made, but credit where it's due, please.  

Without LZ, there would be no Rush.  Without Beatles or S&G, there would be no Yes or Genesis.  And so it goes.   The 60s was an explosive period in rock music and it is sad if we are going to devalue it only because it's not epic or technical or whatever.  

 
Boy you sure like to put words in people's mouths..Where did I say they were not epic? Whether I believe that or not, I never said that. I never brought up any other artist like you have......Why are you bringing Yes and S&G into this discussion? What do they have to do with the poll question? I never insinuated any denial with regard to your question...I am not interested in that discussion, you can have it with someone else if you like. I don't care what you think influenced who on who....That is 100% subjective and your opinion and that is fine, no arguement from me. If you said the Beatles influenced Mastodon and Carrie Underwood, ok fine whatever...its your opinion, that's all.
 
Where I have a problem is where you seem to know for sure that without Zeppelin there would be no Rush and without Beatles and S&G there would be no Yes or Genesis.
I have no idea that without Elvis, Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard..there would be no Beatles.......but I am sure you will tell me.
 
I have no desire to continue with this discussion path........How you feel about what I feel means nothing to me and if you find some displeasure in me not liking the Beatles...oh well, nothing I can do to change that
 
Have a great day!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 17:36
thought it'd post this here since there's a lot of beatles discussion going on

https://soundcloud.com/rc428/side-1-x-100

"100 copies of the White Album played on 100 turntables at the exact same time. Due to the miniscule differences in playback speed of the various turntables things start to quickly devolve into an interesting sonic experiment."

very interesting listen
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 16:56
This all said I personally think the vocalist from Budgie has better vocals than Geddy. Stern Smile but it's my personal opinion and certainly not shared by 99% of peeps.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 16:25
Tum ta te ti em teti tetum I LOVE THE FRENCH HORN HERE!!!! A LOT!!!! XXX
The hummmhayummpuppupupu's is priceless xxxxx


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 16:22
I like both of these bands about the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 16:21
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Kati Hug     Cather10 really went off his rocker when he said that Madonna and Lady Gaga are more Prog than The Beatles Hug
 
Dig deep into your feelings young Padawan...and truth you will find in the comment LOL
 
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Catcher10 those hugs were meant for Sonia not for you Ouch and to say that Lady Gaga and Madonna are more Prog than The Beatles is just plain silly Tongue . The Beatles were one of the first Proto-Prog bands and they were an influence on Procol Harum and King Crimson Shocked

Thanks for the young Padawan compliment Big smile
 
I understand the hugs were not for me....I did not ask for any Shocked.
 
There are many proto-prog bands, by definition it can be almost any band before 1970....I could careless who they influenced that does not make them more prog. BTW they influenced 1,000's of bands probably, but I doubt any of that influence was because someone called them prog or thought they were prog, they had some psychadelic stuff.
 
Most of the time what you hear about was their song writing ability as an influence, lyrics. I am sure KC liked their song writing and lyrics, but I don't hear any Beatles in any KC music.....more of what you hear is Soft Machine and what Coltrane and Miles had done with freeform playing and just letting it flow and hang out......Beatles songs are way more structured with a more natural beat that most people prefer as popular music.
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Catcher I insist on giving you hugs although you don't want them Big smile listen to this track by the Beatles which is considered by many the first heavy metal track ever made Wink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjtGWWXTyQk&list=FLW3NlyKPJqFL8OnvvATV4YQ
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 11:02
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You should stop by the Libertarian Thread or the Agnostic-Atheist Thread.  Rather than avoid those subjects, I like to dive in head first and slap around anyone who disagrees with me.
 
Back on topic, I love both bands, but as someone already said, without the Beatles there would be no Rush.  Of course, the same could be said of Genesis, GG and VDGG (and I'd have a harder time voting against those three).  But in this case, Beatles by a nose (Ringo's). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 10:59
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

I don't like to go into serious debate about progressive music, whithin reason and context there's no right or wrong. Plus there are already too many subjects to avoid i.e. politics, religion and football/soccer Wink thus music certainly should not be one of them, I much rather focus my energy on positive things.  

This prog article (link copied below) is very funny, one shouldn't take things too seriously, moozik should be fun Big smile

http://www.cracked.com/funny-2359-progressive-rock/#ixzz2LGqYMyli

 
You should stop by the Libertarian Thread or the Agnostic-Atheist Thread.  Rather than avoid those subjects, I like to dive in head first and slap around anyone who disagrees with me.
 
Back on topic, I love both bands, but as someone already said, without the Beatles there would be no Rush.  Of course, the same could be said of Genesis, GG and VDGG (and I'd have a harder time voting against those three).  But in this case, Beatles by a nose (Ringo's). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2013 at 10:48
I don't like to go into serious debate about progressive music, whithin reason and context there's no right or wrong. Plus there are already too many subjects to avoid i.e. politics, religion and football/soccer Wink thus music certainly should not be one of them, I much rather focus my energy on positive things.  

This prog article (link copied below) is very funny, one shouldn't take things too seriously, moozik should be fun Big smile

http://www.cracked.com/funny-2359-progressive-rock/#ixzz2LGqYMyli

These are just a few things quote from the above article:

Progressive Rock is an attempt to musically orgasm as many times as possible during a 15-minute song.

Basically, progressive rock is anything-goes rock music. If you feel like adding a 30-second audio clip of some farm animals orgasming in the middle of your song, that's a-ok by progressive standards. Hell, it's even encouraged. Literally anything you can record a sound of is welcome in progressive rock.

Except autotune.



Read more: http://www.cracked.com/funny-2359-progressive-rock/#ixzz2LMhJy566


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 22:03
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

And I suppose the changes that Happiness is a Warm Gun passes through is very standard and popular?

And how about the middle section of Day in a Life, especially the piano, which dances in and out of time?  I could go on and on, but the question is how much of post-Help Beatles have you paid attention to.   Especially beyond Rubber Soul, whether or not it is prog, it becomes very obvious that it is not regular run of the mill pop anymore.  Beatles influence on Fripp and many other musicians of the time is well documented and needs no re-iteration.  

Are you, by the way, also going to deny the influence of Simon & Garfunkel on Yes?  These great 60s rock bands may not have come up with the epic structure and extended sections we associate with prog but they provided the meat, the melodies and the harmonies, where prog rock bands were not always the most original and were happy to lean on 60s music or the classical masters for inspiration.  I don't deride that because that's how music is made, but credit where it's due, please.  

Without LZ, there would be no Rush.  Without Beatles or S&G, there would be no Yes or Genesis.  And so it goes.   The 60s was an explosive period in rock music and it is sad if we are going to devalue it only because it's not epic or technical or whatever. 


I agree completely, Roger. It is rather like a previous thread discounting The Moody Blues as a 1960's progressive band. I don't really see how one cannot hear the epic nature of an album like Days of Future Past, or compositions like the suite "Are You Sitting Comfortably/The Dream/Have You Heard/The Dream/Have You Heard (Reprise)" or "House of Four Doors/Legend of a Mind/House of Four Doors (Part 2)". These are not mere 2:30 pop ballads but mellotronic symphonies.

The same can be said of the Beatles and S&G. Like Bob Dylan, they were not simply spewing out pop hits (although they could write pop gems with stunning regularity). 1970s prog bands owe quite a bit of their aural beauty and depth to these 60s bands, who could paint in a few minutes what it took later bands half an album side to achieve.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 21:37
And I suppose the changes that Happiness is a Warm Gun passes through is very standard and popular?

And how about the middle section of Day in a Life, especially the piano, which dances in and out of time?  I could go on and on, but the question is how much of post-Help Beatles have you paid attention to.   Especially beyond Rubber Soul, whether or not it is prog, it becomes very obvious that it is not regular run of the mill pop anymore.  Beatles influence on Fripp and many other musicians of the time is well documented and needs no re-iteration.  

Are you, by the way, also going to deny the influence of Simon & Garfunkel on Yes?  These great 60s rock bands may not have come up with the epic structure and extended sections we associate with prog but they provided the meat, the melodies and the harmonies, where prog rock bands were not always the most original and were happy to lean on 60s music or the classical masters for inspiration.  I don't deride that because that's how music is made, but credit where it's due, please.  

Without LZ, there would be no Rush.  Without Beatles or S&G, there would be no Yes or Genesis.  And so it goes.   The 60s was an explosive period in rock music and it is sad if we are going to devalue it only because it's not epic or technical or whatever.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 21:12
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Kati Hug     Cather10 really went off his rocker when he said that Madonna and Lady Gaga are more Prog than The Beatles Hug
 
Dig deep into your feelings young Padawan...and truth you will find in the comment LOL
 
Please do not send me any hugs......I sent myself a bunch of private messages with the hug emoticon already.


Catcher10 those hugs were meant for Sonia not for you Ouch and to say that Lady Gaga and Madonna are more Prog than The Beatles is just plain silly Tongue . The Beatles were one of the first Proto-Prog bands and they were an influence on Procol Harum and King Crimson Shocked

Thanks for the young Padawan compliment Big smile
 
I understand the hugs were not for me....I did not ask for any Shocked.
 
There are many proto-prog bands, by definition it can be almost any band before 1970....I could careless who they influenced that does not make them more prog. BTW they influenced 1,000's of bands probably, but I doubt any of that influence was because someone called them prog or thought they were prog, they had some psychadelic stuff.
 
Most of the time what you hear about was their song writing ability as an influence, lyrics. I am sure KC liked their song writing and lyrics, but I don't hear any Beatles in any KC music.....more of what you hear is Soft Machine and what Coltrane and Miles had done with freeform playing and just letting it flow and hang out......Beatles songs are way more structured with a more natural beat that most people prefer as popular music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 15:52
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Kati Hug     Cather10 really went off his rocker when he said that Madonna and Lady Gaga are more Prog than The Beatles Hug
 
Dig deep into your feelings young Padawan...and truth you will find in the comment LOL
 
Please do not send me any hugs......I sent myself a bunch of private messages with the hug emoticon already.


Catcher10 those hugs were meant for Sonia not for you Ouch and to say that Lady Gaga and Madonna are more Prog than The Beatles is just plain silly Tongue . The Beatles were one of the first Proto-Prog bands and they were an influence on Procol Harum and King Crimson Shocked

Thanks for the young Padawan compliment Big smile


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - February 18 2013 at 16:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 10:52
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

In reference to populatity and girls liking bands, in the prog scene Rush are one of the most popular bands, also I have found that it's also one of the top all time favorite bands for the female prog listeners. I have met a few, (very little, I must add) men who are not particularly into Rush however to date I have not met any single female prog listeners that does not like Rush. Stern Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2013 at 10:34
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Kati Hug     Cather10 really went off his rocker when he said that Madonna and Lady Gaga are more Prog than The Beatles Hug
 
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