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 Posted: April 21 2008 at 14:13 |
 StyLaZyn wrote:
Laugh this up. When I was a kid I used to love to watch Donnie & Marie and Solid Gold. I lived for Kasey Kasem's countdown. Today, can't stand them.
No worries. These things shall pass. But also, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Not to begrudge your point, but people actually like Pop music. It doesn't mean they are stupid or have no taste. It just appeals to them. Face it, Prog fans take pride in NOT listening to mainstream and will stand on their soap boxes to belittle pre-processed music.
Ask yourself. Doesn't music serve a purpose? Don't you listen to it because you enjoy it? Would you want someone telling you your music sucks only because their music is "better"?
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Yes... i agree completely. People like music for diffenret reasons. We love music to hear the details, what the artist intended, etc... others just love it for driving.. others as background... other just want music that lifts them up... Not everyone has to like prog music.... Music serves the purpose each person gives to it. Stupid people listen to prog, intelligent people listen to pop as well as viceversa. That's when i insist: the problem is not kids or teen liking pop music or prog... it's just having the freedom to choose, and by that I mean, the possibilities to explore. With the internet and just a few words, in this American idol days, I'm sure there are more proggsters than in the last decade...
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 14:10 |
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You may have a point but my whole idea was: AMeican Idol is not really the big enemy. It's just a program that exists ina day and age when it's normal for it to exist. We have to teach children to look and seek for themselves. If they end up liking Hannah Montana, damn, so be it. What is dissapearing today is that: the freedom for children to explore. I think American Idol is mostly marketed for people over 14, even though there are always young girls crying for some contestant.. |
You still aren't getting it. Its not just another program, its the number one program around, and every kid in the country knows about it, and is inundated with the marketing hype that goes with it, like the Disney machine as well. There is little escape from it. So its not as simple as saying, hey kids, go and explore on your own and get into some prog rock, would you?, when you are competing against the marketing hype machine of stuff like Idol. They are being shaped and molded and inundated by the everpresent commercialism of stuff like this, on TV, on the internet, etc. Your posts aren't making any sense.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 14:09 |
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It mostly comes down to this: watching TV means that you're receptive to advertising, since many programs are essentially just large catalogues, so I'm not worried when it distorts its audience's tastes - it's one big trap but they had to trigger it first. That makes me seem conservative but then again, I think people who find themselves susceptible to that sort of tunnel vision but keep watching anyway are absolutely crazy.
More bluntly, because I'm a really mean person, if you have a TV sitting around in your family's house and your kids know how to use it, then it's too late to worry about the erosion of their taste.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 14:05 |
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You worry too much. I am not a fan by any means but see no threat to the youth. Pop music has been around for quite some time and sorry to say, it's not dying. What I can't stand is the increase of Country music fans. Rap seems to have leveled off but Country music in the States is on the rise. Why? You can thank Mr. Garth Brooks for incorporating the Rock theatrics and sound into his shows. Country music now more than ever sounds like rockabilly.
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When your kids would rather see American Idol Live and Hannah Montana rather than Genesis or Porcupine Tree, there is cause to worry. Sometimes I think I am more in tune and hip than my kids.
Re country, the country that is marketed and played on the radio is the same result of the kind of slick corporate marketing hype that I was talking about with American Idol and Disney etc. Real country, what is now called "alt country" is pushed aside for the slickness and fluffiness of digestable '"feel good" praise the country, the USA can do no wrong crapola as exemplified by Toby Kieth, Brad Paisley etc, and real country musicians like Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, Neko Case, etc have to fight for smaller audiences because they don't make digestable feel good pablum consumed by the masses. Ironically, the alt country rockers who don't get airplay are carrying on the tradition of Johnny Cash etc, and the country you hear on the radio is like Journey and REO of the 80s. So thanks for helping confirm my point about the dangers of marketed corporate machine driven music tastes. |
Laugh this up. When I was a kid I used to love to watch Donnie & Marie and Solid Gold. I lived for Kasey Kasem's countdown. Today, can't stand them.
No worries. These things shall pass. But also, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Not to begrudge your point, but people actually like Pop music. It doesn't mean they are stupid or have no taste. It just appeals to them. Face it, Prog fans take pride in NOT listening to mainstream and will stand on their soap boxes to belittle pre-processed music.
Ask yourself. Doesn't music serve a purpose? Don't you listen to it because you enjoy it? Would you want someone telling you your music sucks only because their music is "better"?
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:56 |
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You worry too much. I am not a fan by any means but see no threat to the youth. Pop music has been around for quite some time and sorry to say, it's not dying. What I can't stand is the increase of Country music fans. Rap seems to have leveled off but Country music in the States is on the rise. Why? You can thank Mr. Garth Brooks for incorporating the Rock theatrics and sound into his shows. Country music now more than ever sounds like rockabilly.
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When your kids would rather see American Idol Live and Hannah Montana rather than Genesis or Porcupine Tree, there is cause to worry. Sometimes I think I am more in tune and hip than my kids.
Re country, the country that is marketed and played on the radio is the same result of the kind of slick corporate marketing hype that I was talking about with American Idol and Disney etc. Real country, what is now called "alt country" is pushed aside for the slickness and fluffiness of digestable '"feel good" praise the country, the USA can do no wrong crapola as exemplified by Toby Kieth, Brad Paisley etc, and real country musicians like Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, Neko Case, etc have to fight for smaller audiences because they don't make digestable feel good pablum consumed by the masses. Ironically, the alt country rockers who don't get airplay are carrying on the tradition of Johnny Cash etc, and the country you hear on the radio is like Journey and REO of the 80s. So thanks for helping confirm my point about the dangers of marketed corporate machine driven music tastes.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:53 |
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There are ways to stop that. Anyway, even without the show, there could be a "hannah Montana live concert" in your bill... so it's just ONE of the millkion posibilities of not-so-great music that you or your family can attend.
I already have had THAT on my bill also, and the Jonas Bros....... So what's just another terrible concert? 
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I think you are missing the point and overthinking all this. My basic premise is that with stuff like American Idol, the Disney marketing machine etc trying to dominate and inundate and mold our children's societal and cultural tastes, we have to work that much harder to make sure that the unmarketed word of mouth, sit down and listen, against the societal grain stuff like progressive rock is exposed and heard by youth in greater numbers, or it will die a slow death, like it did for awhile in the late 70s/early 80s. I am encouraged by bands like Porcupine Tree and Mars Volta and Explosions in the Sky etc making inroads on popular music tastes, but remember, I came from an era when some of the biggest selling bands in the world were prog rock bands in their heyday----Yes, Floyd, ELP, Genesis etc [/QUOTE]
You may have a point but my whole idea was: AMeican Idol is not really the big enemy. It's just a program that exists ina day and age when it's normal for it to exist. We have to teach children to look and seek for themselves. If they end up liking Hannah Montana, damn, so be it. What is dissapearing today is that: the freedom for children to explore. I think American Idol is mostly marketed for people over 14, even though there are always young girls crying for some contestant..
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:52 |
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I can certainly understand your firm stance against Idol and the sorry state of music today. Perhaps it's my being an old fart that gives me perspective (for better or for worse). In other words, having suffered greatly through the socially and musically suffocating era of disco and wanting to destroy all traces of it (almost to the point of terrorism), I'm starting to believe that inane songs, lowest-common-denominator trends and flash-in-the-pan artists will always be among us. I hate to say it but if there was no Idol, the public would find an equal substitute one way or another. I'm just glad that sites like this exist to give the true music explorer an alternative to Hanna Montana and the Jonas Brothers. I'm afraid it's the best we can hope for.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:47 |
laplace wrote:
The T wrote:
laplace wrote:
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience. |
This is ridiculous... Not your post but what that implies... So one can't say that this show is NOT the main problem in music today? Well.... I leave then... continue your super interesting bashing/resentment thread... what we resent is not the show being stupid, but the show being POPULAR. That's the world! Don't give me this prog-hero crap of "let's go to prog festivals to battle against american idol1" I say: Let's go to prog festivals because we have to keep prog alive and if 120918201 people love American Idol, so be it. LIVE WITH IT. |
You inferred something far different from what I stated, but that's expected from someone already in rant mode. =P |
Sorry. Couldn't penetrate your Stimulator Mode.... Can you explain then instead of just showing your knowledge of human modes? |
*sigh* you're so aggressive. :(
I mean what I say. As you've explained, American Idol is a family show for people to watch together, for the spectacle of it and to pick favourites, with actual musical value being a lower priority. That's fine for its audience - people who don't care about music all that much. It's a function of mass entertainment and the truth. |
I can agree with that! That's what I said in my last paragraph (somewhat) in my reply to Squonkman...
I'm not agressive... or maybe a little... look in the mirror... when you say "you are already in rant mode" what other answer can you expect?
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:44 |
The T wrote:
Squonkman wrote:
There are ways to stop that. Anyway, even without the show, there could be a "hannah Montana live concert" in your bill... so it's just ONE of the millkion posibilities of not-so-great music that you or your family can attend.
I already have had THAT on my bill also, and the Jonas Bros.......
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I think you are missing the point and overthinking all this. My basic premise is that with stuff like American Idol, the Disney marketing machine etc trying to dominate and inundate and mold our children's societal and cultural tastes, we have to work that much harder to make sure that the unmarketed word of mouth, sit down and listen, against the societal grain stuff like progressive rock is exposed and heard by youth in greater numbers, or it will die a slow death, like it did for awhile in the late 70s/early 80s. I am encouraged by bands like Porcupine Tree and Mars Volta and Explosions in the Sky etc making inroads on popular music tastes, but remember, I came from an era when some of the biggest selling bands in the world were prog rock bands in their heyday----Yes, Floyd, ELP, Genesis etc
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:40 |
I'd take country over rap any day. 
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:39 |
The T wrote:
laplace wrote:
The T wrote:
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience. |
This is ridiculous... Not your post but what that implies... So one can't say that this show is NOT the main problem in music today? Well.... I leave then... continue your super interesting bashing/resentment thread... what we resent is not the show being stupid, but the show being POPULAR. That's the world! Don't give me this prog-hero crap of "let's go to prog festivals to battle against american idol1" I say: Let's go to prog festivals because we have to keep prog alive and if 120918201 people love American Idol, so be it. LIVE WITH IT. |
You inferred something far different from what I stated, but that's expected from someone already in rant mode. =P |
Sorry. Couldn't penetrate your Stimulator Mode.... Can you explain then instead of just showing your knowledge of human modes? |
*sigh* you're so aggressive. :(
I mean what I say. As you've explained, American Idol is a family show for people to watch together, for the spectacle of it and to pick favourites, with actual musical value being a lower priority. That's fine for its audience - people who don't care about music all that much. It's a function of mass entertainment and the truth.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:33 |
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Is it any wonder that progressive rock is now an "underground" movement when you have the travesty of American Idol slowly destroying the young fertile music tastes and minds of the youth culture? I am so embarrassed that the show exists and has thrived here in the US. From the destruction of classic rock tunes (now even the Beatles catalog is being massacred) to the apparant insistence by the producers that everyone sing 18 notes per word ala Mariah Carey, I can't think of anything in modern society that is quite as insipid and vacuous as that show. What kind of long term damage is that show doing on the youth of America (and the world)?
My kids (thanks to my non prog loving wife) are suckered into that garbage and now recently American Idol goes PROG! Yep, someone did a Kansas tune on American Idol (Carry on Wayward Son). What's next, Paula Abdul singing In the Court of the Crimson King?
We better cherish our progressive rock and work hard to fight against the rampant vacuousness that stuff like American Idol engenders. Remember, disco almost killed off prog rock in the late 70s (don't buy that false 'punk killed prog rock' BS foisted on us by the editors of Rolling Stone---it was disco---I was there); it can happen again. Support your prog festivals and go to concerts and educate the young'uns about the glories of prog so its not lost amidst the sea of mediocrity that American Idol represents. |
You worry too much. I am not a fan by any means but see no threat to the youth. Pop music has been around for quite some time and sorry to say, it's not dying. What I can't stand is the increase of Country music fans. Rap seems to have leveled off but Country music in the States is on the rise. Why? You can thank Mr. Garth Brooks for incorporating the Rock theatrics and sound into his shows. Country music now more than ever sounds like rockabilly.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:28 |
laplace wrote:
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience. |
This is ridiculous... Not your post but what that implies... So one can't say that this show is NOT the main problem in music today? Well.... I leave then... continue your super interesting bashing/resentment thread... what we resent is not the show being stupid, but the show being POPULAR. That's the world! Don't give me this prog-hero crap of "let's go to prog festivals to battle against american idol1" I say: Let's go to prog festivals because we have to keep prog alive and if 120918201 people love American Idol, so be it. LIVE WITH IT. |
You inferred something far different from what I stated, but that's expected from someone already in rant mode. =P |
Sorry. Couldn't penetrate your Stimulator Mode.... Can you explain then instead of just showing your knowledge of human modes?
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:26 |
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1. In case anyone hasn't figured out by now, while I stand by the general premise of my OP, I 'overstated' the point a bit with a little tongue in cheek to drive it home, and to induce discussion. I am fighting a losing battle against that show in my own household, which is one reason for the post. You're frustrated. That's Ok. As you say, your first post seemed like you accused a simple show of all the problems in music. No, I don't think we are on the brink of apocalypse---yet. But I have seen the harmful effects firsthand, especially when my credit card says American Idol Live! In Concert........
There are ways to stop that. Anyway, even without the show, there could be a "hannah Montana live concert" in your bill... so it's just ONE of the millkion posibilities of not-so-great music that you or your family can attend.
2. I am a big fan of good pop music when I was a kid and what little there is floating around now. But you can't tell me there is a huge cringe factor, and a kind of vacuousness, when you see some classic pop tunes being mangled like they are in the interests of slick corporate marketing. Yes, its a singing competition, but it gives the young people the impression that you can be a star with 15 minutes of fame on the tube---instant success, instead of doing it the old fashioned way, by working your way up the ranks, playing your way through dives and smelly clubs and evolving and developing your talent, like the Beatles, Elton John, Springsteen and heck, even Madonna did Yes. I said that when I mentioned the shot at Warhol's 15 minutes. But two things: one, it's legitimate. Maybe we don't agree, but it's legitimate. two: if people buy into it and like the records, then it's even more legitimate (Daughtry, I'm sure, will not last only 15 minutes). three: in this world today everything moves so fast, this kind of shot at fame and music glory is understandable. There are still artists that work their way up the ranks, but who says that there are millions talented singers out there who just can't work their way up the ranks because of several circumstances? Now, more than ever, we are in an era of instant corporately created bands (thank Disney for that) and the idea of instant stardom that we all know is an illusion and will be gone like fast food due to the shallow fickleness of the general public, who because of shows like American Idol, have no clue what good music sounds like. That is true but as I said, American Idol is just a consequence. Not the reason. If the world wasn't what it is, there would still be scripted shows and comedies.
I will be looked as a caveman here but I actually think that, especially in TV-oriented America (where TVS have always been part of the living room and family life), I prefer there's a show that still families watch together than everybody being in theori own little world... listening to the ipod, on tnhe internet, whatever... For one (two) stupid hours a week, some families get together to wwatch that show. In this new world where children have to have their portables dvds so they don't bother when mommy is on the cell phone in her car, well, I think that, even if it is for STUPID BULLsh*t MUSIC as some imply, it's not actually that bad.
Peace.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:18 |
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience. |
This is ridiculous... Not your post but what that implies... So one can't say that this show is NOT the main problem in music today? Well.... I leave then... continue your super interesting bashing/resentment thread... what we resent is not the show being stupid, but the show being POPULAR. That's the world! Don't give me this prog-hero crap of "let's go to prog festivals to battle against american idol1" I say: Let's go to prog festivals because we have to keep prog alive and if 120918201 people love American Idol, so be it. LIVE WITH IT. |
You inferred something far different from what I stated, but that's expected from someone already in rant mode. =P
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:14 |
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience. |
This is ridiculous... Not your post but what that implies... So one can't say that this show is NOT the main problem in music today? Well.... I leave then... continue your super interesting bashing/resentment thread... what we resent is not the show being stupid, but the show being POPULAR. That's the world! Don't give me this prog-hero crap of "let's go to prog festivals to battle against american idol1" I say: Let's go to prog festivals because we have to keep prog alive and if 120918201 people love American Idol, so be it. LIVE WITH IT.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:10 |
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Oh please T, American Idol is a Karaoke contest, where the most popular person wins, not the best.
You are right about the popularity end.. but some people there have better voices than Karaoke... at least in America's version... and I guess all around the world...
What can we expect of a program where the producer and owner has such a terrible taste as was posted the other day:
Bobby Darin - Mack the Knife
Herb Alpert - This Guy's In Love With You
Charles Aznavour - She
Righteous Brothers - Unchained Melody
Wayne Newton - Danke Schoen
Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The one
Sammy Davis, Jr. - Mr. Bojangles
Frank Sinatra - Summer Wind
Please...Bobby Darin and Wayne Newton???? Is his terrible taste. For you. Objectively, we can't prove it is SO bad. Of course I like prog 1982710 better than this.. I'm just commenting that it's not American Idol the problem.... it's just a consequence.
Then you got Paula Abdul for whom everybody is fantastic and the former Journey and Jean Luc Ponty basist Randy "The Emperor" Jackson who left good music to backup Britney and N'Sync, it's like the bad cop - good cop act, Everybody can notice this. It's just a perfect marketing and dramatic tool. It's a TV SHOW. Paula is teh god cop, Randy Jackson is the mediator and Simon Cowell is the bad cop...Please, this is an act. You haven't discovered anything. All I say is, what has that to do with the end of the music world?????????
The show is a disaster, they destroy some excellent tracks with festival arrangements. Yes, may times. Not always.
Please, stop mixing politics with music, if you want to rant against USA President, there are politic threads, people around the world think about the Dollar, Euro, Yen or Sucre before anything, that's the human nature, this is the GENERAL MUSIC section, this is not a place to talk about any Government. I have the right to say whatever I want as long as it's with respect. The thread creator said that the show is dumbing down America and that youth's minds are being affected because of this, I just say, NO. THERE ARE OTHER REASONS. Read my post. And read the original post which accuses the show of every problem in the music world today. And if you ever read my posts, you would know that I don't give a damn about money but about people, so that's actually what I'm saying, people's brains are being affected not because of this stupid show but because of million other things, one consequence from which is the existence of this BRITISH BORN show.... (which means the whole world is being dumbed down in music....at least where this program and all the regional versions air...).
And please, you bring politics Ivan. Sucre is a long dead currency. If you bring that name out is because of what?
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:09 |
1. In case anyone hasn't figured out by now, while I stand by the general premise of my OP, I 'overstated' the point a bit with a little tongue in cheek to drive it home, and to induce discussion. I am fighting a losing battle against that show in my own household, which is one reason for the post. No, I don't think we are on the brink of apocalypse---yet. But I have seen the harmful effects firsthand, especially when my credit card says American Idol Live! In Concert........
2. I am a big fan of good pop music when I was a kid and what little there is floating around now. But you can't tell me there is a huge cringe factor, and a kind of vacuousness, when you see some classic pop tunes being mangled like they are in the interests of slick corporate marketing. Yes, its a singing competition, but it gives the young people the impression that you can be a star with 15 minutes of fame on the tube---instant success, instead of doing it the old fashioned way, by working your way up the ranks, playing your way through dives and smelly clubs and evolving and developing your talent, like the Beatles, Elton John, Springsteen and heck, even Madonna did. Now, more than ever, we are in an era of instant corporately created bands (thank Disney for that) and the idea of instant stardom that we all know is an illusion and will be gone like fast food due to the shallow fickleness of the general public, who because of shows like American Idol, have no clue what good music sounds like.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 13:09 |
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This is as things should be. ;P If you aren't actively looking for good music/food/whatever then you're happy enough with the bad, making you everyone's dream target audience.
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 12:58 |
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Even channels like CNN and History (how UFO Hunting is related to History is beyond me) are becoming worse over time. G4 is horrible now, I stopped watching it a few years ago and recently tuned in it just to see how it's changed. A lot of dumb shows like Cops, people who stalk dating couples, reality TV with ninjas (okay, I'll admit if you're 13 that might be interesting), sexual stuff (like people watching that channel are any good with women already), etc. Travel, Food, National Geographic, and CSPAN are okay depending on what is shown, but usually nothing I really care about.
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This is true. History channel airs lots of programs on... trucks?? Biography channels airs bios for... Farrah Fawcett? G4 used to have game-review shows...now everything is stupid run contests with lots of stupidity... where are scripted shows? Seinfeld wouldn't have a chance these days , but reality shows where you don't need much more creativity than what you need to device another way to expose people's greed and desperation for their fix of Warhol's 15 minutes are the rule...... BUT....
I wouldn't blame American Idol. First, let's get it straight. Don't blame the US for this, as that's a british creation...
Squonkman wrote:
Is it any wonder that progressive rock is now an "underground" movement when you have the travesty of American Idol slowly destroying the young fertile music tastes and minds of the youth culture? If anything, American Idol is a consequence, not the reason. Prog rock stopped being on the spotlight like... well, more than 20 years ago, with hardly any American Idols on air.... Do you think by the way that a true "intellectual society" would have prog as its biggest genre? I have my doubts. The "travesty" of American Idol doesn't destroy music tastes... i haven't seen anything about music creation there but music REPRODUCTION, it's a singing competition. It would've worked 20, 30 years ago, just probably with different music being played... I am so embarrassed that the show exists and has thrived here in the US. I would be more embarrased from countless other things, like re-electing a certain dummy, or seeing the econopmy go down the drain, or even, yes, the general stupidization of TV with the dissapearance of history and news than just for a singing competition. From the destruction of classic rock tunes (now even the Beatles catalog is being massacred) to the apparant insistence by the producers that everyone sing 18 notes per word ala Mariah Carey, I can't think of anything in modern society that is quite as insipid and vacuous as that show. I don't see rock tunes being destroyed. They are just... covered. As they are in many many places and ocasions. here is for the fame and money, ok, fine. Classical music has been used in advertising for hamburgers long ago and so what... music doesn't lose its value. in the end, after one of the contestants sings a beatles song, maybe some youth that didn't know them in the first place will go and buy the Beatles cd... i don't see why this hurts... other than a weird paranoia....Also, none demands 18 notes per word.... That's the style many choose, yes, but no.... If I know what I'm taking about is because I live with somenone that watches the show so I have had to watch it and I know what I'm talking about. there's talent from time to time.,.,. Of course many (if not all) contestants are there for a quick shot at fame... but there are talented people... What kind of long term damage is that show doing on the youth of America (and the world)? this is just laughable. First try to change the way America thinks (DOLLAR FIRST) and then maybe this big Satan of yours will dissapear...
My kids (thanks to my non prog loving wife) are suckered into that garbage and now recently American Idol goes PROG! Yep, someone did a Kansas tune on American Idol (Carry on Wayward Son). What's next, Paula Abdul singing In the Court of the Crimson King?I HOPE SO. BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEVER HEARD KANSAS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE THAT YOU< IN YOUR OWN EXCLUSIVE PROG BUBBLE WANT ONLY FOR YOU. Fine... king Crimson on American Idol? Ask fripp if he would like the publicity... you would be amazed at the answer.... and if he says no, well, let's do an anonymous poll in many prog artists, and let's see what they prefer....
We better cherish our progressive rock and work hard to fight against the rampant vacuousness that stuff like American Idol engenders.Fight with whom? THIS IS KILLING AMERICA, the "LET"S FIGHT" mentality.... Let's respect the right of people to like sh*t. Remember, disco almost killed off prog rock in the late 70s (don't buy that false 'punk killed prog rock' BS foisted on us by the editors of Rolling Stone---it was disco---I was there)You saw the murder and yet you're here... seems prog never died then... it just faded from the spotlight... but it's here, more alive than ever... or maybe we are all ghosts....; it can happen again. Support your prog festivals and go to concerts and educate the young'uns about the glories of prog so its not lost amidst the sea of mediocrity that American Idol represents. This sounds like a call for indoctrination. Well, I, for one, would NEVER do that. I'd give my children the CHANCE that many don't have to know not-so-famous artists like our prog musicians....but I'd let them decide... Yes! Let's educate our young ones! I agree! But let's start first in other areas like civility, respect to others, solidarity, the value of people vs the value of money, and million other things, and then I would start teaching them about the legends of prog...
Wait! Maybe if we teach them to EXPLORE, they will discover it by themselves. |
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I was actually going to attempt to respond to this diatribe/critique but by the end I was laughing too hard. Especially the "call for indoctrination" part. What are you, part of the House Committee on Un-American Activities?
Sheesh, what a tool.  Oh Squonk, I love how you can't never reply anything... myabe my post was touching other subjects... but your reply.... Well... Go on and cry about this show being on the air.... |
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American Idol--the dumbing down of music
