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Points: 148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2006 at 13:25
there's that 11/4 part of 'under a glass moon' 
 
if you want odd signatures look at Stravinsky's 'Rite of Spring' or anything by Liszt
 
 
"1973) "Money" by Pink Floyd, although the solo is in 4/4, as David Gilmour believed that it would be too difficult in simple septuple meter. The triplet/shuffle feel makes this time debatable; it is technically in 21/8. Source: ISBN 8882917533 "Pink Floyd Guitar Tab Anthology" and[3] "
 
did anyone read this?  what the hell?
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2006 at 03:02
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Some More:
Bill Bruford - Hells Bells 9/8
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I've read and heard (as well as counted it) as 19/16.Wink
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Points: 18292 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2006 at 02:54
Originally posted by krring krring wrote:

"At this very moment on stage we have Drummer A playing in 7/8, Drummer B playing in 3/4, the bass playing in 3/4, the organ playing in 5/8, the tambourine playing in 3/4 and the alto sax blowing its nose."
Toads of the Short Forest - Frank Zappa.
 
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Points: 7991 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2006 at 16:33
Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

I got a kick out of the credits in the upper right: Words and music by John Stump, Arranged by Accident.
 
'Based on a Cro-Magnon skinning chant'  LOL
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I got a kick out of the credits in the upper right: Words and music by John Stump, Arranged by Accident.
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Points: 68 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2006 at 10:57
"At this very moment on stage we have Drummer A playing in 7/8, Drummer B playing in 3/4, the bass playing in 3/4, the organ playing in 5/8, the tambourine playing in 3/4 and the alto sax blowing its nose."
Toads of the Short Forest - Frank Zappa.
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Points: 433 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 23:00
Best stage direction: "Play a little faster than everyone else"
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Points: 389 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 22:18
Half of the times signatures in there couldn't even exist.  There is no way you can have a 66/66 time signature because there aren't 66th notes in music.  Maybe 64th notes, but not 66ths.  I thought it would be appropriate though.
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"Remove cattle from stage"

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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 10:19
Originally posted by Spanky Spanky wrote:



*ridiculous sheet music*


LOL

Looks like a Fantomas score to me!Wink





Edited by Empathy - August 16 2006 at 10:19
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ehhh... Okay!?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 09:58
Its a JOKE piece abstrakt. Written tpo poke fun at "real" 20th century music scores and for the amusement of other musicians.
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6/1, 3/6, 2/6, 8/1, 66/66, 2/32, 24/4, 54/32...!!!???
Hard to read, but it must be VERY complex
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 09:27
The Black Page is broken down into a bunch of smaller accented groupings of 1, 2 and 3 pulses. It could certainly be written down in 4/4 but not in Common Time as the accents are not all on beats one and three. I haven't visited it in detail in a number of years, so I don't remember if the patterns of pulse groupings repeat often enough to encompass a larger numerator in the time sigt. or not.
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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 09:16
Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

I agree with Dick. Zappa's "Black Page". Wacko


the black page is in 4/4 common time


Shocked

Hmm... not sure I buy that.
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Points: 18292 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 03:50
Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

I found this very interesting wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_in_irregular_time_signatures

I think this time signature takes the cake:

(2002) "A Headache and a Sixty-Fourth" by Ron Jarzombek - "one measure of 4/4, followed by a measure of 1/64"[9]
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2006 at 23:25
There really is no such thing as 17/16. Time sigs like this get written on occasion but it is mostly for shock effect (or out of ignorance on the part of the composer. Zappa was by no means ignorant and shock value was something he placed a high priority on so...) and it appears to be working well on many of you.

Our rhythmic brain wiring will simply not accept the reality of a time sig like that. We understand it mathematicaly but in reality we break all rhythmic information down into groupings of 1, 2, 3 and maybe 4 (four can be felt in 2 + 2 or 3 + 1), pulses. See my breakdown of the Apocalypse above.

So as I explained above a meter like 17/16 is in reality a repeating pattern of smaller pulse groupings such as 4+3+4+3+3 or 3+2+3+3+4+2 etc

The trick to learning to play and to listen to these pieces is to detect and "feel" the smaller patterns within the larger structure of the measure. Otherwise you'l completely lose your sanity trying to count to 17 over and over again. Trust me no trained musician will EVER do that.
    
    

Edited by composer - August 13 2006 at 23:59
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Points: 23 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2006 at 23:09
I believe that Zappa's "Joe's Garage" has its opening song on (disc 2) in 17/16 time, very bizarre riff but also very catchy.

Also the Apocalypse in 9/8 in 'Supper's Ready' is incredibly done
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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2006 at 23:03
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

I agree with Dick. Zappa's "Black Page". Wacko


the black page is in 4/4 common time
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