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Poll Question: Is Led Zeppelin IV a prog related album?
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Why did you choose IV ?? Come on " Physical Graffiti " is much more progressive !!! IV is a good rock album with SOME prog influences.. BUT i would say that Physical Graffiti could be labeled as a prog album
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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:56

Originally posted by glass house glass house wrote:

Is this prog Archives or progressive Archives ? If it is the second one, surely Zep must be in the Archives. Within the rock music they were highly progressive.  IV is not prog related, Psychical Graffity imo is.

It is prog archives, with the prog related section attached to it. I know what you mean regarding Physical Graffity, but I prefer the compactness of Led Zeppelin IV - only Rock and Roll and Going to California are plain rock songs.
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Is this prog Archives or progressive Archives ? If it is the second one, surely Zep must be in the Archives. Within the rock music they were highly progressive.  IV is not prog related, Psychical Graffity imo is.
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Originally posted by man@arms man@arms wrote:

  Zeppelin were more interested in album sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on the  artistic side. 

 This is a fairly true assessment, although this makes them sound like they didn't give a rat's a$$ how good their albums actually were, which is not true.  Zeppelin were leagues away from Foghat, Nazareth or even Aerosmith in terms of quality. 

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well I do tend to rant and rave so yeah I did go a bit too far ahahahha. Obvioiusly they weren't hacks.. but I do not see them as artists either and not any part of a progressive movement.. just swept up in it in a way.


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I voted Yes, although their most progressive album is "Houses Of The Holy".
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  Zeppelin were more interested in album sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on the  artistic side. 
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 This is a fairly true assessment, although this makes them sound like they didn't give a rat's a$$ how good their albums actually were, which is not true.  Zeppelin were leagues away from Foghat, Nazareth or even Aerosmith in terms of quality. 

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Hell no - Zep were not Prog. Sure they pushed the boundaries but they operated within the genre of hard rock. Leave it there.

I don't understand this apparent need to include everyone under the sun in this site. Somebody wanted David Bowie. Or Stravinsky. One day soon someone will propose adding Madonna.

Can't vote either!

It's not about "prog", but "prog-related".



by that rationale is every band that put an album or two out that incorporated SOME prog elements going to be put under Prog-Related.  The question is are they prog or are they not.  Those who are borderline like ELO make a good fit for prog related.  Those like Zeppelin who were first and foremost a rock band.. that happened to see the winds of musical change blowing and incorporated an epic or two on an album... that's not prog-related... that's prog...sampling hahahah.  Then again I'm one of those who has the crazy notion that Prog was a movement to bring artistic integrety to rock music.  Zeppelin were more interested in album sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on the  artistic side. 
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Points: 4252 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 13:13
you can't pin led zeppelin down, they were many many things. i remember reading years ago they didn't like being "labelled" at all, so no PA entry i'm afraid!
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I don't seem to be allowed to vote in this either.

Anyway, I'd say no - it's a mixture of rock (Black Dog, Rock'n'Roll etc) and folk (Going to California etc), as someone else said other Zep albums have more prog elements.

Here's my detailed review: http://www.ratingfreak.com/db/reviews/_auto_5991591.xhtml

It shows which tracks I consider more or less progressive ...
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Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Hell no - Zep were not Prog. Sure they pushed the boundaries but they operated within the genre of hard rock. Leave it there.

I don't understand this apparent need to include everyone under the sun in this site. Somebody wanted David Bowie. Or Stravinsky. One day soon someone will propose adding Madonna.

Can't vote either!

It's not about "prog", but "prog-related".



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Hell no - Zep were not Prog. Sure they pushed the boundaries but they operated within the genre of hard rock. Leave it there.

I don't understand this apparent need to include everyone under the sun in this site. Somebody wanted David Bowie. Or Stravinsky. One day soon someone will propose adding Madonna.

Can't vote either!
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Points: 20032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:54

I don't seem to be allowed to vote in this either.

Anyway, I'd say no - it's a mixture of rock (Black Dog, Rock'n'Roll etc) and folk (Going to California etc), as someone else said other Zep albums have more prog elements.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:25

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Points: 1777 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:24
If I could vote then it would be yes. Not sure why I can't vote though.

(Not really sure what prog-related is to be honest either Not sure about anything anymore)


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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Mike, I've moved this thread to the non-prog section, as the proto-prog and prog related section of the forum is for bands who are included in the archives under those categories.

I voted yes by the way, but is there a specific relevance of the question? The inclusion of individual albums doesn't happen.

(I voted yes by the way!Wink) 

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Or is it short term memory?
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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:20

^ fair enough, I should have created the poll in the Non-Prog section.

But re the band/album discussion: I thought that the initial rule of thumb for the inclusion of prog artists was that they released at least one progressive album? Then it would also be reasonable to look at the most progressive album of a prog-related "candidate", wouldn't it?



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Points: 33 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:18

 

 

  Led zeppelin should be in this web... I don´t now which genre will you choose but they have plenty of songs that could be easily cataloged like prog ones!

 

my vote it´s YES to LZ IV! 
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:17

Mike, I've moved this thread to the non-prog section, as the proto-prog and prog related section of the forum is for bands who are included in the archives under those categories.

I voted yes by the way, but is there a specific relevance of the question? The inclusion of individual albums doesn't happen.

(I voted yes by the way!Wink) 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:07

Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

Quite simply: no. Zeppelin IV is not prog related. It's blues related rock, whereas i.e. LZ I is rock related blues.

So what about the Folk?
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Points: 514 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 11:05
Quite simply: no. Zeppelin IV is not prog related. It's blues related rock, whereas i.e. LZ I is rock related blues.

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