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Well, I know the name but other than the hits "slow ride" and "fool for the city" I don't know them. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

My opinion is they should just stick to being an "oldies" act at this point. They probably haven't gained any younger fans(or newer fans in general) in quite some time(not counting those who are hardcore prog fans anyway) and are just kind of stagnating at this point. So for me personally no Jon Anderson no new Yes album. ;)

Sort of a prog "Foghat" in other words.  Another old favorite of mine that has fallen on hard times. 

Some bands manage to age more gracefully than others....Uriah Heep still seems to be putting out some great music, Hackett and Fripp have done fantastic, and both of the Wishbone Ash bands (Andy's and Martin's) can put out the music as well as it was originally written.   

I agree, no Anderson, no new Yes album.  He was their creative and spiritual genius, anyone else is just making it up.  



Kansas could be another band you could compare them to but at least they are still putting out quality albums(from what I hear). I don't know much about Foghat but I'm sure there are several other bands like that. Uriah Heep have been around a long time also and refuse to give up too but they are apparently putting out quality albums at least(like Kansas). Nektar and Focus might be worth mentioning also in that regard.

Good call on Nektar and Focus by the way, I considered putting Focus down!  

Foghat were a blues-rock outfit that were formed from Savoy Brown & other bands, they were amazing (NOT prog).  Their first album was produced & engineered by Todd Rundgren.  The late Rod Price was, IMHO, the best slide guitarist in the world, bar none.  Now, they drift along, with only the original drummer leading the way. 

Some bands pull it off....Alice Cooper still puts on a good live show, and the Rolling Stones & Paul McCartney will probably outlast me.  Other bands just seem tired and lost.  

I haven't seen much of Yes with Davison, except on YouTube bits (which I didn't care for).  Jon Anderson is one of the best English poets of his generation, and rates up with the Romantics like Shelley etc.  You can't replace his lyrics with fluff nonsense as they have done since "Fly From Here."  

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

My opinion is they should just stick to being an "oldies" act at this point. They probably haven't gained any younger fans(or newer fans in general) in quite some time(not counting those who are hardcore prog fans anyway) and are just kind of stagnating at this point. So for me personally no Jon Anderson no new Yes album. ;)

Sort of a prog "Foghat" in other words.  Another old favorite of mine that has fallen on hard times. 

Some bands manage to age more gracefully than others....Uriah Heep still seems to be putting out some great music, Hackett and Fripp have done fantastic, and both of the Wishbone Ash bands (Andy's and Martin's) can put out the music as well as it was originally written.   

I agree, no Anderson, no new Yes album.  He was their creative and spiritual genius, anyone else is just making it up.  



Kansas could be another band you could compare them to but at least they are still putting out quality albums(from what I hear). I don't know much about Foghat but I'm sure there are several other bands like that. Uriah Heep have been around a long time also and refuse to give up too but they are apparently putting out quality albums at least(like Kansas). Nektar and Focus might be worth mentioning also in that regard.


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I'm one who liked Heaven and Earth, and Fly From Here., so would be perfectly happy with a new Yes album from whichever version.  To be honest, I prefer their newer stuff over Relayer and TFTO. Those albums are OK, but really my least favorite Yes albums.  They have a dated sound to me that I have to be in the mood for. But to that end, I am not losing any sleep over it.  There are plenty of newer, younger bands releasing some good music these days.  I've enjoyed the recent Steve Howe led Yes tours.  It has been fun to see them play complete albums from their prime.  Sure, I wish it were the original guys, but they still put on a good show.   
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

My opinion is they should just stick to being an "oldies" act at this point. They probably haven't gained any younger fans(or newer fans in general) in quite some time(not counting those who are hardcore prog fans anyway) and are just kind of stagnating at this point. So for me personally no Jon Anderson no new Yes album. ;)

Sort of a prog "Foghat" in other words.  Another old favorite of mine that has fallen on hard times. 

Some bands manage to age more gracefully than others....Uriah Heep still seems to be putting out some great music, Hackett and Fripp have done fantastic, and both of the Wishbone Ash bands (Andy's and Martin's) can put out the music as well as it was originally written.   

I agree, no Anderson, no new Yes album.  He was their creative and spiritual genius, anyone else is just making it up.  


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I saw this tour twice in the 1970s, there is no way in hell that this lineup of Yes can top this.  I wish they would just quietly retire. 



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My opinion is they should just stick to being an "oldies" act at this point. They probably haven't gained any younger fans(or newer fans in general) in quite some time(not counting those who are hardcore prog fans anyway) and are just kind of stagnating at this point. So for me personally no Jon Anderson no new Yes album. ;)

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I saw this tour twice in the 1970s, there is no way in hell that this lineup of Yes can top this.  I wish they would just quietly retire. 


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I might be the biggest Yes fan/apologist in the world but my answer is: "Gawd, I hope not."
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I would probably buy a new album. You never know. They might have something left in those old brains.

Of course with two Yeses, on the remote possibility of them merging, we might end up with the sequel to Onion. Oops. I know, not likely. But if the many-worlds interpretation of quantum theory is true, in another universe somewhere, this is happening right now. Oops.

I have to second (or is this third or fourth?) Lee Pomeroy's abilities. He's got a good track record with ARW and Steve Hackett; even does classic pop stuff in Jeff Lynne's ELO, can perform on 12-string, and with two of those bands, he contributed to vocal harmonies as well.
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I think we have to recognize that the members of Yes never really liked each other, though they always respected each other musically. They were so focused on excellence early on that they left a few people out in the cold in order to notch up their technique. That does not foster deep friendship and mutual loyalty, but it did foster a commitment to excellence.

Yet some friendships did eventually form, often after real conflict. Anderson and Wakeman, for example. Howe and White, perhaps. 

When I think about my own current and past workplaces, I understand the notion of several categories: Those who become buddies because of non-work reasons, those who become devoted colleagues because of both non-work and shared work-skill reasons, those who deeply respect one another for work-skill reasons but don't have much in common outside that, and those whose lacking work skills prevent any further exploration of friendships. I've worked with only a small handful of people in the second category, but have worked successfully with people in the third. But the workplace is not hobby space. I am not buddies with all the people with whom I frequently travel, but we still get the job done because we are both committed to the outcomes.

Someone said that ABWH failed because Anderson wanted Yes, but it's always been my impression that it was the reverse--Yes wanted Anderson, and contrived a series of events vis a vis the Union tour and album to make that happen. 

Wakeman once commented that Yes was different because they could play stuff other bands couldn't play (added by me: especially live). Sherwood seems to me a fine musician, but he's not in that category. Lee Pomeroy is. 

With Squire's death, it seems to me that Yes became a tribute band to itself. My wife and I attended a local concert of the Marshall Tucker Band, and only one member was part of the original group. They sounded good, but did not advance the plot. I don't expect any album from "official" Yes to advance the plot. It's hard enough for the remaining classic-lineup minds to do so on their own.

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There is no doubt that there are amazing players in and around the band, the problem seems to be with song writing. Possibly, it may also be that they simply make more money just touring the old material.

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No. Because even if someone dares release an album with the Yes moniker, i won't come within a radioactive mile of it. Yes is over! Squire has moved on!!

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I’m all for Nick Beggs for filling Squire’s shoes. He’s the main reason I appreciate Kajagoogoo.
But, Billy Sherwood is a great musician regardless. He did a fabulous job on Nektar’s Time Machine album, and his Prog Collective and Fusion Syndicate albums prove how good a musician he is. I’d love a new Yes album. And whilst I praise H&E, I know it’s nowhere the level of the classic run of albums (‘69 - ‘80).
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

At this point who really cares? I say this as someone who used to be a super huge Yes fan(now I consider myself to be a moderate Yes fan only because they have gone downhill in the past 10-15 years or so). If Jon Anderson returns then we'll talk. 

Or how about this. A new band called Geneyes featuring Steve Howe, Jon Anderson, Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks and Phil Collins. LOL

Now that would really piss off Steve Hackett, lol. 
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

There may well be a new album from the Howe version of Yes. He has certainly spoken about it.

I don’t think it would be a good idea. Heaven & Earth was extremely ordinary.

As far as new stuff is concerned, I am enjoying 1000 Hands. Anderson is on good form, although much of it is actually quite old music. I am looking forward to listening to Wakeman’s new one, and I thought the ARW live strand was far superior to the official Yes version.

Howe and Anderson will never work together again. Howe has barely suffered Jon since the financial fallout after the Tormato breakup of the band. ABWH was a fantastic effort, and should have been a springboard to a fine long term collaboration, but Anderson wanted Yes. Bruford had no interest in that beyond a money spinning tour, and that Union period put the final nail in the coffin of Anderson and Howe trusting each other. Howe loathes Anderson. End of.

Anyhow, I have no issue whatsoever in accepting it is over. I wish the Howe version would stop. I enjoy listening to past glories. I have more of an issue with older musicians trying, and failing, to revisit said past glories.

The past is the past. There is so much great new music out there, including some Yes members solo stuff. Let’s leave it at that.


I certainly agree that Heaven & Earth was weak, but why does that mean that a new album would be a bad idea? Could they not have learned something from how H & E was received, and make an effort to step up their game? They are sure taking their time, so maybe they are really holding off until they are sure they have a better album than the last one?

Wakeman's new album The Red Planet is fantastic, I highly recommend it.


I agree with Steve......Let's move on, the catalog is massive enough to keep anyone busy for quite a long time. A new album is never a "bad" idea, but a "bad" album is not a good idea. 


Well, I do agree that no album is better than a "bad" album. What I want to see is of course a good album, a new album that will blow the last one out of the water.

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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

There may well be a new album from the Howe version of Yes. He has certainly spoken about it.

I don’t think it would be a good idea. Heaven & Earth was extremely ordinary.

As far as new stuff is concerned, I am enjoying 1000 Hands. Anderson is on good form, although much of it is actually quite old music. I am looking forward to listening to Wakeman’s new one, and I thought the ARW live strand was far superior to the official Yes version.

Howe and Anderson will never work together again. Howe has barely suffered Jon since the financial fallout after the Tormato breakup of the band. ABWH was a fantastic effort, and should have been a springboard to a fine long term collaboration, but Anderson wanted Yes. Bruford had no interest in that beyond a money spinning tour, and that Union period put the final nail in the coffin of Anderson and Howe trusting each other. Howe loathes Anderson. End of.

Anyhow, I have no issue whatsoever in accepting it is over. I wish the Howe version would stop. I enjoy listening to past glories. I have more of an issue with older musicians trying, and failing, to revisit said past glories.

The past is the past. There is so much great new music out there, including some Yes members solo stuff. Let’s leave it at that.


I certainly agree that Heaven & Earth was weak, but why does that mean that a new album would be a bad idea? Could they not have learned something from how H & E was received, and make an effort to step up their game? They are sure taking their time, so maybe they are really holding off until they are sure they have a better album than the last one?

Wakeman's new album The Red Planet is fantastic, I highly recommend it.


I agree with Steve......Let's move on, the catalog is massive enough to keep anyone busy for quite a long time. A new album is never a "bad" idea, but a "bad" album is not a good idea. 
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't mind a new album from AWR or ARW or whatever it's called . 

As suggested already , Nick Beggs is the only modern bass player remotely suitable .
 
There isn't likely to be an ARW album now. I agree with the person who said their live album is a whole lot better than the Howe-Yes live album. They have a lot more energy and drive so it's a shame this seems to have died a death. Still, the recent Anderson and Wakeman solo albums are both excellent.
 
Sorry Richard, whilst Mr Beggs is a fine bass player there are others who can play to that level. If you listen to the ARW live album, Lee Pomeroy is brilliant (better than Sherwood) - his playing on Heart of the Sunrise in particular is up to Squire's level.


Yes, Lee Pomeroy is great Clap The drummer Lou Molino is good as well.

Pomeroy has been part of Wakeman's band for quite a while, and plays on The Red Planet. Moulino has been associated with Rabin. It would have been interesting to hear new studio material from this version of Yes, but like you say it is unlikely to happen. But it was nice to see Rabin on the stage again, after so many years doing film music.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't mind a new album from AWR or ARW or whatever it's called . 

As suggested already , Nick Beggs is the only modern bass player remotely suitable .
 
There isn't likely to be an ARW album now. I agree with the person who said their live album is a whole lot better than the Howe-Yes live album. They have a lot more energy and drive so it's a shame this seems to have died a death. Still, the recent Anderson and Wakeman solo albums are both excellent.
 
Sorry Richard, whilst Mr Beggs is a fine bass player there are others who can play to that level. If you listen to the ARW live album, Lee Pomeroy is brilliant (better than Sherwood) - his playing on Heart of the Sunrise in particular is up to Squire's level.
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