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The T 
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 Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:33 |
 Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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lolDon't be so naive. |
I guess it's just that people think "oh our boys are not like those crazy muslims..."
On the other hand, they were all trained to obey orders blindly and were all trained to kill so you are probably right.
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:32 |
Oh so you're saying people are generalizing and making ALL occuppiers look the same... I guess none has done that with the tea party, specially liberals...
And those moronic concepts are pretty much true.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:53 |
The T wrote:
And what is so bad about the word "anarchist" that I see people here use, as always since you've been conditioned to, in abject fear? Oh I imagine you immediately picture gangs of people pillaging everything and setting the cities on fire....
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Sounds like a plan to me.  In the end there probably won't ever be a unified set of demands, but if you think they want to either abolish the free market or have total governmental control, then you have oversimplified to point of being completely wrong. This more like tea party kind of thinking. We can't raise taxes because raising taxes means everyone's taxes get raised. As if you can't just raise taxes on the super wealthy. Then there's these other moronic concepts like all regulation is bad, all taxes are bad, the government can't create jobs... 
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 12 2011 at 16:59
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:14 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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lol Don't be so naive.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:04 |
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"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death"
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I can never stop from laughing at "I pulled out my wallet, and it was full of blood." I know what he's getting at, but...
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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King of Loss
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:01 |
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"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death"
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:43 |
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Oh, we both know Arrested Development isn't really going to happen. You might as well die in battle right now and save yourself the agony.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:32 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I assume that it would be canceled in the even of civil war.
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Meh. If they cancel Arrested Development again, then it's really on.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:18 |
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I assume that it would be canceled in the even of civil war.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:16 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war. |
You got something better to do than die in combat over a hill? |
Well, the new Parks and Rec is Thursday...
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:15 |
stonebeard wrote:
Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war. |
You got something better to do than die in combat over a hill?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:11 |
The T wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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Maybe. I would hope so. But just maybe.
On the other hand, yes, a breaking of the union would be a likely result and nothing to be extremely scared of. |
Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war.
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:03 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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Maybe. I would hope so. But just maybe.
On the other hand, yes, a breaking of the union would be a likely result and nothing to be extremely scared of.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:53 |
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^As I said somewhere else, the Syrian and Libyan armies could be defeated by an armed populace so a violent and successful revolt against those governments wasn't unthinkable. Try to do that with the government that commands the most powerful army in the world. |
The thing is, as least now, a violent uprising in the United States is itself unthinkable. It would require that illusion that it's the best country on earth to be shattered completely, which is asking a lot anyway. I don't think we'll come to that, but it is interesting to think of how we'd handle it as a nation if our people were that dissatisfied. I seriously and completely don't believe our military would wage a war against its own populace, but that it unpredictable. I image if things continue this way, secession is much more likely. Perhaps the breaking up of the Union in some ways. Which, honestly, I can't find a reason not to support.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:53 |
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But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:48 |
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^As I said somewhere else, the Syrian and Libyan armies could be defeated by an armed populace so a violent and successful revolt against those governments wasn't unthinkable. Try to do that with the government that commands the most powerful army in the world.
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King of Loss
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:48 |
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I believe our federal government is too far gone down the road of corporatism, special benefits, back door deals, and especially wanting more government to ever be able to right itself on it own, at let alone to the point of justice. Maybe if things get significantly worse for more and more people. Then it will be interesting to see whether or not it comes to violence. We're so eager to support protests and uprisings in Syria and Libya, I just wonder if it we'll be so embracing of that when corporate domination of politics here gets as undemocratic as actual strongman dictatorships over there. |
I have a feeling that's coming the way here due to a huge decrease of wages for the general population. Let's hope it doesn't turn really ugly.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:45 |
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I believe our federal government is too far gone down the road of corporatism, special benefits, back door deals, and especially wanting more government to ever be able to right itself on it own, at let alone to the point of justice. Maybe if things get significantly worse for more and more people. Then it will be interesting to see whether or not it comes to violence. We're so eager to support protests and uprisings in Syria and Libya, I just wonder if it we'll be so embracing of that when corporate domination of politics here gets as undemocratic as actual strongman dictatorships over there.
Edited by stonebeard - October 12 2011 at 11:45
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:17 |
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And, as many have said already, it's ironic how the police is piling and abusing these protesters, yet these protesters want more and more government control, of which a strong brutal police force is an essential part.
Edited by The T - October 12 2011 at 11:18
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:15 |
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