The American Politics Thread

Atavachron wrote: ^ He could do the unthinkable and give legitimacy back to news journalism.   Who'd of thought.

President Snowflake is upset about leaks? Today he made the stunningly stultifying comment, "The leaks are absolutely real; the news is fake because so much of the news is fake." Bzuh? He has also referred to "criminal' leaks and "low-life leakers" previously this week. Can we have a moment of clarity, Mr. President? Yes, clarity – even though the word is synonymous with obfuscation and obtuseness in the muddy gutters of your miasmic mind.

We'll use exact quotes so there is no "fake news" claim. During the presidential campaign you made the statement “I love WikiLeaks,” and you loudly proclaimed, “Russia, if you’re listening,” please come hack another U.S. politician’s emails. You said that. Out of your own mouth. On video. Before millions of viewers. You love leaks [insert “golden-showers” pun here]. So you welcomed illegal hacking and invited a foreign power to spy on U.S. citizens, when it suited you. I was never a fan of George W. Bush, but I could not imagine him saying something so dangerously un-American. Can you imagine those words coming out of Ronald Reagan’s mouth? Hell no!

Edited by The Dark Elf - February 16 2017 at 19:05

Sorry again, but making idle legal threats is still not a mob mentality. Just a chant. However, Flynn transgressions crossed that line and legal problems could actually be following him.

I agree with your claim that a large number of people have panicked into backing Trump but that is not a "mob mentality" which is associated with unruly mob violence. "Mob mentality" is this:

Edited by SteveG - February 16 2017 at 04:05

Puzder withdraws his name for the Sect of Labor nomination!!

Edited by JJLehto - February 16 2017 at 01:06

In more good news, Puzder has pulled himself out of the running for Secretary of Labor. We now avoid having to deal with a very anti-worker, anti-union slimebag. Looks to have been brought down not just by that, but not filing his paperwork with the ethics folks, resurfacing domestic violence allegations, and finally a retreat of key conservative support either because of or under the cover of revelations he hired an undocumented immigrant has a housekeeper and didn't pay related taxes.

Okay, you're misunderstanding me now; Trump should not be ignored and he should not be trusted(ideally he should stop existing tbf), but it's the public outrage and unwarranted vitriol against the leaders in place that have caused him to be president. Countries that don't have 'their own Trump' in charge yet will for now be much better off drawing some sane conclusions from Trump's stupidity and remembering that they really DON'T need a change so drastic as what Trump is doing now because it's painful, harmful and dysfunctional. I'm not talking about strict progressives such as you and me(I assume), we must certainly stand strong if/when the people elect a populist, but I was talking about the people in the middle ground, the working class, who have gotten frustrated not as much with things in their actual lives but with politics itself, struggling to understand why they do this or that when all their buddies at the pub tell them in clear language that it should all be completely different. It's pure mob mentality, here in the Netherlands all the votes for Geert Wilders come from the people in the fisher's towns with zero Muslims or old folks who are upset simply because there are some Muslims in their neighborhood who weren't their before. It confuses me even more because the immigrant stream has only added about 1/8 to the total Muslim population which has been here for decades... These people should ask themselves should be asked what they want to change for their OWN life, their own situation and that of the people around them because trying to be all-knowing is not functioning for them.

^ We saw the coverage, but it the Michael Flynn debacle was top of the news.   I'd think Trudeau poised to soon be a big star and a counterweight to Trump's Jabba-like presence.

I do wanna pop in and disagree with what you and Micky(I think) said about paying more attention to politics. The wave of populism going around worldwide has been largely fueled by people working eachother up to be more critical of politics, telling eachother change is necessary when times really aren't very bad at all in real life(yes, some inequality, some immigrants, but still not nearly as bad as many other points in semi-recent history) and going in uninformed, suddenly expecting the government to the settle the issues they've come up with with force and speed, even when they'll obviously(for anyone caring about economics and stuff) their solutions are very weak on the long term. The 'failing' of democracy lies mostly in people expecting politics to solve their problems, even when there's simply no way anything can turn an immigration crisis or low consumer confidence into a good time, I wish people would see that and accept that even their best choice will only make the times slightly less bad(if you conceive them as bad in the first place). I hope people will forget about politics a bit in the coming four years so they can see what a solid system they actually have set up for themselves, one that you're really not supposed to tear down, one you're supposed to cooperate with to improve both sides, and one you're supposed to trust to some extent, even when you don't understand it.

Amongst all the discussions with their various topics concerning Trump, there is one issue which I find central but that’s being almost set aside as an almost amusing byline, and that’s the business about the alleged size of the inauguration crowd and what it entails. The implications of this are enormous and I find his claims highly alarming.

When Trump claims this in the face of undeniable proof to the contrary in the form of photographs set directly side by side (and he’s evidently not lying, because if he were, he would know that it makes him look a fool), he is clearly delusional. I mean medically and certifiably delusional. It’s there for all to see.

This, more than anything else, shows that he has a disturbed grip on reality, and, combined with a highly volatile and thin-skinned personality, is a recipe for disaster.

After all, the man has the nuclear codes!

Why isn’t this getting the attention it deserves? Sure, there are also many other things he’s doing worth everyone’s attention, but this is the one instance where it’s clearly there for all to see. All his other actions can be clearly derived from this.

He clearly needs urgent medical attention, so why is nothing happening?

Edited by npjnpj - February 15 2017 at 00:27