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President Trump wants to extreme vet the same 7 countries President Obama bombed for his entire administration.   This begs several questions:

If President Trump is wrong to document and vet immigrants from 7 Islamic countries, then was President Obama also wrong to bomb the exact same 7 countries for his entire 8 years in office?

   If Obama was wrong, then why didn't the main stream media deluge President Obama with calls for impeachment like they've done for Trump since before President Trump took office? 

Let's suppose it was correct for President Obama and America to bomb the same 7 Islamic countries in which President Trump wants to curb immigration.    Wouldn't that also suggest that these 7 Islamic countries are home to a high percentage of dangerous bad people who would harm America and it's citizens? 

Why didn't the media scream and complain when President Obama's attempted to curb Immigration in the 2011?  Here the US Government White House link-

 "Presidential Proclamation--Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons Who Participate in Serious Human Rights and Humanitarian Law Violations and Other Abuses."  https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/04/presidential-proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-

Where was the mainstream media then?






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International politics and issues commonly have an effect on, and are relevant to, national politics. Be good to have an international politics thread -- probably is one already.
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Points: 501 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2017 at 15:33
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Since this is now  a Swedish thread they even make some nice fighter airplanes.


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As a final note on the "Rapefugee" blood libel, a Swedish newsource interviewed the police officers that Fox interviewed for their hit piece and it turns out that Fox maliciously edited their statements to make it look like there's a problem when there damn well isn't.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Sometimes I think Trump IS a master of everything. Now he actually has people talking about SWEDEN of all things. 




The only country where the clouds are interesting.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Sometimes I think Trump IS a master of everything. Now he actually has people talking about SWEDEN of all things. 




Let me tell you about Sweden
Only country where the clouds are interesting
Big brother says it's the place to go

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'Cos it's all quiet on the Eastern front.

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Sometimes I think Trump IS a master of everything. Now he actually has people talking about SWEDEN of all things. 
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Do you really think Swedish women report their husbands for rape if the condom slips off?   I couldn't find one example.   Digital rape (for example-sticking your finger in a drunk, unconscious Swedish woman) is considered rape in Sweden.  As it should be.  I did a YouTube search of "Digital Rape Sweden"    All I got was thousands of Migrant, Islam, and Refugee rape crisis results.   So I tried to search " White male Swedish Rape problem"  Again, all I get is Rufugee rape crisis.  It seems the Refugees rape boys and men as well as women and girls. 

I've been familiar with the Swedish Sexual Criminal Codes for years.   The horrible thing about the Swedish Sex Criminal Code are the 2 year penalties.  if convicted (that's a big IF)  2 years for rape is the most common penalty for rape.      

Bottom line-  Any Swedish Rape search on YouTube nets you hundreds of thousands of Refugee rape videos. Don't believe me.   Go look for yourself.   Word it anyway you want it.  It's always comes up Swedish Refugee Rape Crisis.



You said:
"Actually anybody with a bit of sense should immediately doubt a statistic that talks about a 1472% increase of rape cases mostly attributed to a group of new immigrants that make up about 1% of the population. This would mean that it is about 15000 times as likely to be raped by one of this new immigrants than by any other member of the population which is downright preposterous."'

My stats are correct.  However, your stats are incorrect. You quoted Wikipedia.  Now I will quote Wikipedia:

"As of 2010, 1.33 million people or 14.3% of the inhabitants in Sweden were foreign-born. Of these, 859,000 (64.6%) were born outside the European Union."   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden

Here is one of my sources for Sweden's 1472% rise in Rape Stats-  Please Google Swedish rape stats for fact checking purposes.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape


Excuse me, but your statistics are incorrect. I am comparing the supposed increase of rape crimes to the rise of the immigrant population during the time this supposed increase of rape crimes happened. This is the reasonable thing to do unless you can come up with an explanation why all of a sudden the foreign population of Sweden should start committing rape crimes.


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Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

So this is now  a Swedish rape thread. OK. I won't say anything about Don then. Just out of interest what do the Swedish rape statistics have to do with American politics. I can't see any connection. Confused

Good question Kepler.   Most of the Refugees who rape in Sweden or Germany and other European Union states are from the same 7 countries that Trump wants to expose to extreme vetting.  In other words, Trump doesn't want to make the same mistakes that Sweden did.  You can't unscramble an egg.   An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  

Trump wants to deport felons who are illegal immigrants.   And Trump is for extreme vetting, so that bad people don't immigrate.  We want good immigrants.  Who want's crime?     
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So this is now  a Swedish rape thread. OK. I won't say anything about Don then. Just out of interest what do the Swedish rape statistics have to do with American politics. I can't see any connection. Confused
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Do you really think Swedish women report their husbands for rape if the condom slips off?   I couldn't find one example.   Digital rape (for example-sticking your finger in a drunk, unconscious Swedish woman) is considered rape in Sweden.  As it should be.  I did a YouTube search of "Digital Rape Sweden"    All I got was thousands of Migrant, Islam, and Refugee rape crisis results.   So I tried to search " White male Swedish Rape problem"  Again, all I get is Rufugee rape crisis.  It seems the Refugees rape boys and men as well as women and girls. 

I've been familiar with the Swedish Sexual Criminal Codes for years.   The horrible thing about the Swedish Sex Criminal Code are the 2 year penalties.  if convicted (that's a big IF)  2 years for rape is the most common penalty for rape.      

Bottom line-  Any Swedish Rape search on YouTube nets you hundreds of thousands of Refugee rape videos. Don't believe me.   Go look for yourself.   Word it anyway you want it.  It's always comes up Swedish Refugee Rape Crisis.

You said:
"Actually anybody with a bit of sense should immediately doubt a statistic that talks about a 1472% increase of rape cases mostly attributed to a group of new immigrants that make up about 1% of the population. This would mean that it is about 15000 times as likely to be raped by one of this new immigrants than by any other member of the population which is downright preposterous."'

My stats are correct.  However, your stats are incorrect. You quoted Wikipedia.  Now I will quote Wikipedia:

"As of 2010, 1.33 million people or 14.3% of the inhabitants in Sweden were foreign-born. Of these, 859,000 (64.6%) were born outside the European Union."   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden

Here is one of my sources for Sweden's 1472% rise in Rape Stats-  Please Google Swedish rape stats for fact checking purposes.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Since Sweden opened their borders to Refugees the rape rate has risen 1472%.   Sweden has the 2nd highest rape rate in the world.   Perhaps Trump got the date and time wrong.  Trump did not get the refugee Sweden Rape crisis wrong.   Forget last night in Sweden, instead remember the last few disastrous, rape-ridden years.  Islamic refugee in Sweden live-streamed their gang rape on Facebook!  Who cares what day of the week it happened? 

The following video was made a Swedish citizen, who came to Sweden when he was a child Bosnian refugee.  He talks about the Swedish Refugee problem.   There's a plethora of Swedish citizen-made videos on the Swedish Refugee Rape Crisis.  If you don't believe me; please check it out.  Swedish citizens see it differently from Swedish politicians and media. 

 

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

And just so we know what we are talking about here a link to the Swedish Penal Code; skip down to Chapter 6 which deals with sexual crimes and has 13 sections:

http://www.government.se/contentassets/5315d27076c942019828d6c36521696e/swedish-penal-code.pdf

Actually anybody with a bit of sense should immediately doubt a statistic that talks about a 1472% increase of rape cases mostly attributed to a group of new immigrants that make up about 1% of the population. This would mean that it is about 15000 times as likely to be raped by one of this new immigrants than by any other member of the population which is downright preposterous.


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The Stock Market is at an all time high.   That's   Stock Market prices are based on future optimism.  That's the way the Stock Market works.  How do I know?  I quit my Day Job 17 years ago to go full time trading the stock market.    

My, quite a rosy picture an apologist might paint. After all, we all know that high stock prices, like reducing taxes on the wealthiest percentile, brings back good-paying jobs. LOL

As far as being "great for American retirement accounts," I would suggest that Trump already beginning to gut the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (you know, the set of laws enacted when terrible Wall Street and bank practices caused the last depression) will jeopardize and eventually empty American's IRAs just like the last time there were no restraints on trading and banking.

"We expect to be cutting a lot out of Dodd-Frank,” Trump said during a meeting with business leaders earlier this month. “Because frankly, I have so many people, friends of mine, that had nice businesses, they just can’t borrow money . . . because the banks just won’t let them borrow because of the rules and regulations in Dodd- Frank.”

"Many people, friends of mine..." the very same a****les who destroyed the economy last time, and the very reason the law was enacted in the first place.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:


I think Trump is in governing mode.  He's put into law multiple bills, including a 5 year no lobbyists on Executive Branch.  I say that's a good thing.  If only Congress would pass a rule prohibiting lobbyists. 

Trump has already got several countries to pledge US investment.  Japan has already promised 50 Billion dollars.   Here is a link for those who wish to fact check.

 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/business/dealbook/donald-trump-mayayoshi-son-softbank.html?_r=0

The Stock Market is at an all time high.   That's great for American retirement accounts.  Stock Market prices are based on future optimism.  That's the way the Stock Market works.  How do I know?  I quit my Day Job 17 years ago to go full time trading the stock market.    


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There is little doubt that there is at least the perception of a large increase in reported sexual attacks in both Sweden and Germany, both countries which have had large increases in net migration. Note I said at least a perception. I do not live in either country, so cannot really comment on the facts, but I do know there is one hell of a lot of disquiet.

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Since Sweden opened their borders to Refugees the rape rate has risen 1472%.   Sweden has the 2nd highest rape rate in the world.   Perhaps Trump got the date and time wrong.  Trump did not get the refugee Sweden Rape crisis wrong.   Forget last night in Sweden, instead remember the last few disastrous, rape-ridden years.  Islamic refugees in Sweden live-streamed their gang rape on Facebook!  Who cares what day of the week it happened? 

The following video was made a Swedish citizen, who came to Sweden when he was a Bosnian child refugee.  He candidly talks about the Swedish Refugee Rape problem. 

   A YouTube search of "Sweden rape"  will net you 193,000 results; of those results,  90% are videos addressing the Swedish Refugee Rape Crisis.    Swedish citizens view the refugee rape crisis differently from Swedish politicians and media.  

 


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In an episode of the German edition of Donald Duck comics Donald had to admit he had suffered from meningitis as a child. Maybe Donald Trump is Donald Duck in disguise; at least his incoherent utterings aren't more intelligent than the utterings of a person who is suffering from the unlucky fate of having had meningitis. And you have to admit his mouth has a surprising and uncanny likeness to a duck bill when he speaks:

"Quack quack Sweden quack quack yesterday".



Actually it appears that Trump watched his favorite channel (FIX, I mean FOX, sorry, they don't fix news) and saw their feature of a documentary about immigrants to Sweden by director Ami Horowitz and how the rape rate has allegedly increased drastically over the last few years, which corresponded with an increase of immigrants, from which both Horowitz and FOX seemed to conclude that those immigrants committed the rapes. That's like concluding the stork brings the babies from the fact that both the stork population and the birth rate have increased during a specific period of time. Just because the results of two statistics coincide does by no means mean these statistics are correlated; it's one of the first things you learn when taking statistic lessons. And how the heck Trump concluded that all these rapes happened yesterday is beyond me.

Oh, and by the way: The legal definition of rape in Sweden is by no means the same as the legal definition of rape in the USA. The law defining rape is so complicated you have to study jurisprudence to understand it. An example (really true): If a couple has consensual sexual intercourse using a condom this consensual intercourse becomes rape if the condom slips off during the act. Yes, really true!


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Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Looks like Don is just going to become a one man government.

Well...more like an oligarchy or juntaSmile
He, Bannon, Tillerson. Formerly Flynn but he's of course gone. 
It's an international oligarchy...the very thing people like Bannon and many Trumpers claim to hate: globalism, intl elites etc etc its happening. 

To the shock of no one with a working brain and unbiased eyes: A report drafted by 3 Trump buddies with strong Russian ties, developed a sealed envelope to him, a plan of peace with Russia, which included lifting the sanctions. This happened a week before Flynn resigned. 
So yeah, this really is an intl elite, globalist plot. Rich, connected people in the US and Russia are working to benefit themselves. The thing all these alt-righties claim to hate. 

Not that Bannon actually cares, he just wants "the left" (whatever he thinks that is) destroyed, and Isis destroyed. Putin is a fine ally in this regard and he has no care for democracy so all good.  Protecting Western culture from the barbarians at the gate is all that matters to him. Clearly Trump and his buds don't care. 

By the way the 3 people involved with this memo to Trump:
Michael Cohen: Trump's lawyer and has Russian ties/bias
Felix Sater: Friend, Russian businessman with links to the mafia (seriously!)
Andrii Artemenko: Pro Russian politician who went to the RNC to meet some of Trump's campaign. 

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Points: 6799 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2017 at 13:10
[QUOTE=Atavachron]Reince Priebus is a worm.

I have my suspicions.  

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