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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 16:48
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So, why don't you say the same thing about arch-conservative Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News (managed by the rapist Roger Ailes until recently)? They support every lie and every crackpot conspiracy theory that any tinfoil hat-wearing alt-right buffoon can conjure? The bias bleeds out of the TV from that bogus operation. I'd trust the Washington Post over Faux News for actually fact-checking what they report.

Based on your skewed opinion, Fox News should have shut down operations for the 8 years Obama was president.

OK.  I'll say it.   Rupert Murdoch owns Fox News.   I don't support Fox News. Fox News lies too.  I want media to tell the truth.  I realize it's a pipe dream.   The essence of my opinion I stated is- The media lies.  I stand by that opinion.

  Furthermore, I pointed out how certain YouTube people such as PewDiePie have more listeners than main stream media outlets.  I also pointed out that The Washington Post endorsed Obama and Hillary Clinton.  That's a fact not an opinion. Look it up.

I apologize if my opinion upset you.  Since you disagree with me, would you prefer me not to post on this American Politics Thread?   I thought this thread was a place where Progarchive membership could discuss American Politics. 

Do you believe The Washington Post reports only the truth?  

My sincere apologies to Tszermay for misquoting him. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 16:35
Can someone out there in Progland explain to me why the US has only two political options? There used to be middle of the road opinions which seem to be now drowned out by idiotic ultra-leftist garbage and ultra-right nonsense. Can one not be fiscally conservative AND socially respectful? Polarization : between two arctic wastelands , where is the land of the free? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 16:27
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 Did you know Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post?  The Washington Post endorsed Obama and Hillary Clinton for President.   My point?  After endorsing a candidate, how can a news outlet such as The Washington Post report unbiased news on the endorsed candidate or the politician that their endorsed candidate is running against? 
So, why don't you say the same thing about arch-conservative Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News (managed by the rapist Roger Ailes until recently)? They support every lie and every crackpot conspiracy theory that any tinfoil hat-wearing alt-right buffoon can conjure? The bias bleeds out of the TV from that bogus operation. I'd trust the Washington Post over Faux News for actually fact-checking what they report.

Based on your skewed opinion, Fox News should have shut down operations for the 8 years Obama was president.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 14:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 08:41
Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Why are you guys so into conspiracy theories? Confused

Things are topsy turvy in America.  Since Trump entered office, the main stream media espouses conspiracy theories on a daily basis.   Mainsteam media has a polictical-social agenda and it isn't "telling it like is".  If someone in authority calls the Main Steam Media on lies, the media screams "right to free speech".   The mainstream media wants us to believe they are an unbiased, benevolent, all truth telling entity with no political agenda. 

 Did you know Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post?  The Washington Post endorsed Obama and Hillary Clinton for President.   My point?  After endorsing a candidate, how can a news outlet such as The Washington Post report unbiased news on the endorsed candidate or the politician that their endorsed candidate is running against?  

There are certain phrases and words that shut down political-social conversations.  Phases such as: "You're a racist!", "You're Islamicphobic", " "You're Fascist!", "Feminist!", and "Snowflake".   If someone on the Media hit list says the name" Hitler",   it's taken out of context and the soundbite is cherry picked and tailored to make the enemy of the media seem like a Fascist.   If you're a media darling?  Nothing happens.  

Take PewDiePie for example.  Who is PewDiePie?  He's YouTube phenomena, with over 53 million subscribers.  Yes, that makes PewDiePie the most subscribed YouTube channel.  The main stream media doesn't like PewDiePie because more people watch him then watch CNN or read the Washington post.  PewDiePie turns political correctness on it's head on a daily basis.  And his young audience love him for it.  Here is PewDiePie's unique and hilarious response to the media's accusations that PieDiePie is anti-Semite, has a Nazi haircut,  and is a Fascist. 



  There's a battle going on between free speech and political correctness.  When the media tells stories that support the political-social viewpoint of the individual, then most viewers automatically believe the news story, whether it's true or not.  This happens on the Left and the Right.   




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2017 at 07:25
Some youth today can't even tie their shoelaces or do long division.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 19:54
^ Prog rock was a conspiracy to turn the corruption of music & youth into a sophisticated and worldly art form.   Didn't you get the memo?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 18:21
Why are you guys so into conspiracy theories? Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 18:03
The news is fake, here is an example how people in politics play with our heads: Under new rules prompted by the 2009 incident involving a bombing attempt on a US flight, Northwest 253, airline passengers traveling to the U.S. from 14 nations would undergo extra screening: Afghanistan, Algeria, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. The inclusion of non-Muslim Cuba on the list was criticized. 

These are, very sadly, dangerous places where the peril of infiltrating terrorists into the West is fact, not fiction.
But it comes as new news. There is no such thing as NEWS. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 16:33
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


a passport?  surviving a plane crash. Whooo... Shocking LOL Come on all...  ditch the tinfoil. 

sh*t happens...the inexplanable..
Yep it sure does, in fact a small, light booklet of laminated paper seems much more likely to survive an explosion and fire than something more substantial and easily damaged, along with all the other personal items that survived.   Makes sense to me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 06:21
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So now this is a 9/11 cospiracy discussion?

I was in a used bookstore yesterday where I live in Fort Erie ( I managed to find a copy of Roger Dean Views in pretty good shape for $15 CAN ! ) There was an American  lady and her kids raving about how Trump is going to sort out the planet and kick ass and there were Canadians agreeing with her all the way. I think that this anti-trump sentiment is confined to outspoken people who just want to jump on the bandwagon. As far as I can see it is business as usual man. We are not living in the 1800s or 1960s. We're living in the 21st century. American politics and foreign  policy will always be f**ked up.I don't know why people just don't deal with it? I think we should be more worried about that lunatic kid  in North Korea



sorry my fault for bringing it up.. yet it is better than trying to decide who in Trump's administration is going to blow up the Statue of Liberty to show there are some bad hombres out there LOL

anyhow... as I said. The real danger is not Trump.. it is those like the kickass broad and her brood.

Oh the anti-Trump sentiment is alive and well and yes it is important. It is already having an effect on Congress who by all reports have been rattled by the grassroots protest movement. They know better than any of us that a mobilized energized Demorcatic party is dangerous to their continued hold on power.  Trump has his support and likely will always have it.  In fact I'll prove the point.   I've been on the wagon since the new year...  if there is ONE Trump supporter on this forum who will be brave enough to admit they made a mistake... I will toast their bravery with a 6 pack of America's finest high octane 10%r beer.

There are none of course, they exist in their own world. The two America's you hear of. However what is important is the apathtic left, the 7 MILLION votes HIllary didn't get that Obama did all while Trump remained around the same number Romney got.. if they get mobilized and they are. Then you bet your ass it matters.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 06:11
Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

as to 9-11: I don't know if it was an inside job, but I am certain the official version is not the truth. the twin towers and WTC-7 collapse due to the intensity of the flames, but miraculously the passport of Mohamed Atta escapes the fiery inferno to be found by investigators - pull the other one

The official version could not be the truth with all the chemical evidence of high-explosives, but that could indicate something no one has suggested; like explosives planted on the planes, which though extraordinary, doesn't necessarily indicate a domestic conspiracy or an inside job.   It could just indicate very smart terrorists.


it would still not explain the passport of Mohamed Atta, and that's just the tip of the iceberg

Through Google there are only conspiracy websites about this information, no official source explaining how the passport was found.
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a passport?  surviving a plane crash. Whooo... Shocking LOL Come on all...  ditch the tinfoil. 

sh*t happens...the inexplanable..  my favorites





a twister unwinding a roll of toilet paper from bathroom — draping it across the countertop, then rewound it in the sink.

The toilet paper didn't even rip.

were searching through the rubble to find their car when they heard a radio playing. When they approached the car, they found the in-dash radio had been ripped from the car and was dangling from a rearview mirror.

It was no longer attached but it was still playing


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 05:50
Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:


So now this is a 9/11 cospiracy discussion?

American politics and foreign  policy will always be f**ked up.I don't know why people just don't deal with it? I think we should be more worried about that lunatic kid  in North Korea


Not so sure about that...... no to say what should be the actual concern amongst American people (or people living there, for that matter.)

So .... what does Trump's team would actually have to say about supposed russian military alliance with China's dictatorship?
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So now this is a 9/11 cospiracy discussion?

I was in a used bookstore yesterday where I live in Fort Erie ( I managed to find a copy of Roger Dean Views in pretty good shape for $15 CAN ! ) There was an American  lady and her kids raving about how Trump is going to sort out the planet and kick ass and there were Canadians agreeing with her all the way. I think that this anti-trump sentiment is confined to outspoken people who just want to jump on the bandwagon. As far as I can see it is business as usual man. We are not living in the 1800s or 1960s. We're living in the 21st century. American politics and foreign  policy will always be f**ked up.I don't know why people just don't deal with it? I think we should be more worried about that lunatic kid  in North Korea

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2017 at 02:21
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

as to 9-11: I don't know if it was an inside job, but I am certain the official version is not the truth. the twin towers and WTC-7 collapse due to the intensity of the flames, but miraculously the passport of Mohamed Atta escapes the fiery inferno to be found by investigators - pull the other one

The official version could not be the truth with all the chemical evidence of high-explosives, but that could indicate something no one has suggested; like explosives planted on the planes, which though extraordinary, doesn't necessarily indicate a domestic conspiracy or an inside job.   It could just indicate very smart terrorists.


it would still not explain the passport of Mohamed Atta, and that's just the tip of the iceberg

Through Google there are only conspiracy websites about this information, no official source explaining how the passport was found.
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Combining the events of 9/11, the Republican administration's tardy hunt for Osama while in the meantime bombing the hell out Afghanistan and Iraq, and Rumsfeld's infamous "sh*t happens" excuse, a conspiracy to fuel pro-war fervour cannot be completely ruled out imo.  But absent evidence, I would not insist that that is what happened and am forced to accept the official version.  Journalist Dave McGowan was skeptical of 9/11 from the start.  He also wrote a very interesting book on the Laurel Canyon connection in rock.  I wouldn't quite call him crazy even if he was quite possibly wrong about 9/11.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

as to 9-11: I don't know if it was an inside job, but I am certain the official version is not the truth. the twin towers and WTC-7 collapse due to the intensity of the flames, but miraculously the passport of Mohamed Atta escapes the fiery inferno to be found by investigators - pull the other one

The official version could not be the truth with all the chemical evidence of high-explosives, but that could indicate something no one has suggested; like explosives planted on the planes, which though extraordinary, doesn't necessarily indicate a domestic conspiracy or an inside job.   It could just indicate very smart terrorists.


it would still not explain the passport of Mohamed Atta, and that's just the tip of the iceberg


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2017 at 17:06
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

as to 9-11: I don't know if it was an inside job, but I am certain the official version is not the truth. the twin towers and WTC-7 collapse due to the intensity of the flames, but miraculously the passport of Mohamed Atta escapes the fiery inferno to be found by investigators - pull the other one

The official version could not be the truth with all the chemical evidence of high-explosives, but that could indicate something no one has suggested; like explosives planted on the planes, which though extraordinary, doesn't necessarily indicate a domestic conspiracy or an inside job.   It could just indicate very smart terrorists.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2017 at 17:00
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such an incident would make many people think that Trump was right all along and would lead to a significant increase of his popularity. just look at what happened after 9/11. most of the American people were screaming for revenge, and the few people who spoke out against rushed action were denounced as traitors or as being in cahoots with the attackers.

Just remember how quickly Bush Jr.'s popularity sank over the remaining years despite all the jingoism, and he remains one of the most unpopular presidents ever.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am much more skeptical about the self-healing capabilities of the system. maybe if everything ran normally, but who is to know it will? any extraordinary incident might tip the scales in Trump's direction.

what I have in mind is an incident like the Reichstagsbrand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire). some faked terrorist attack on a facility of high symbolic character, let's for example say the statue of liberty. such an incident would make many people think that Trump was right all along and would lead to a significant increase of his popularity. just look at what happened after 9/11. most of the American people were screaming for revenge, and the few people who spoke out against rushed action were denounced as traitors or as being in cahoots with the attackers. I remember all too well how Friede and I were called "Nazis" on forums we posted on because we took the position that a thorough investigation should happen instead of just going to war against Iraq.

I predict that within the next three months, but maybe sooner, such an incident will happen, and I pray to the Goddess that this prediction turns out to be false


oh christ Jean.  I'll piss all over Trump.. vomit on his supporters... but that is a long way from calling them un-american.. f**king traitors. There are still people here that think 9-11 was an inside job.. never will buy that.  Yes they are dangerous, idiots and all that..with disproven ineffective and simply outdated and theories born in some alternative universe but I'd find it hard to Trump or any his minions.. even  right wing kukos like Bannon would commit treason. Come on man...  anyhow..I'm on record so I'll eat crow as did in November if wrong... but you know.. if it comes to pass.... I'll have and we'll all have bigger problems than being wrong. All the more reason to piss on Trump voters  LOL

in my opinion the Trump administration is capable of anything. I'd rather be on the record to have been wrong about this than to have been silent about the warning signs (and there are many). if it does not happen all the better, but I will continue my Cassandra calls. and remember: it was Cassandra's curse that no-one ever believed her prophecies.

as to 9-11: I don't know if it was an inside job, but I am certain the official version is not the truth. the twin towers and WTC-7 collapse due to the intensity of the flames, but miraculously the passport of Mohamed Atta escapes the fiery inferno to be found by investigators - pull the other one


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