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Posted: December 29 2012 at 21:22 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
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Vapor Trails is lacking progressiveness just as much as any album after it. Rush, since 2002, have been in the same vein as bands like Muse.
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I've always thought of VT as a full-blown prog album; sure, it's not "progressive" on a grand epic scale like Hemispheres, but it's easily Rush's most complex album ever, complete with layers upon layers of instruments and vocals and tricky time changes you don't even know are there until you actually try to count them.
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I'm sorry but VP being their most complex album is just silliness. The drums alone is a clear, distinct sign of a lesser technicality on the album.
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 21:20 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
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Counterparts - T4E: Alternative rock
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Ho ho! No.
Tons of progressive rock in those albums! Underrated as hell too.
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I consider them "progressive" in the literal sense, but not "progressive rock."
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To not be glib here:
Take away "The Camera Eye," and Moving Pictures is a shorter version of Counterparts.
Take away "Natural Science," and Permanent Waves is a shorter version of Test for Echo.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 21:15 |
Epignosis wrote:
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Counterparts - T4E: Alternative rock
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Ho ho! No.
Tons of progressive rock in those albums! Underrated as hell too.
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I consider them "progressive" in the literal sense, but not "progressive rock."
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 21:08 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Counterparts - T4E: Alternative rock
| Ho ho! No.
Tons of progressive rock in those albums! Underrated as hell too.
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 21:04 |
Favorite Rush album? Hemispheres.
Second favorite Rush album? Vapor Trails.
Take that for what you will.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 20:59 |
Horizons wrote:
Vapor Trails is lacking progressiveness just as much as any album after it. Rush, since 2002, have been in the same vein as bands like Muse.
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I've always thought of VT as a full-blown prog album; sure, it's not "progressive" on a grand epic scale like Hemispheres, but it's easily Rush's most complex album ever, complete with layers upon layers of instruments and vocals and tricky time changes you don't even know are there until you actually try to count them.
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 17:22 |
Follow up post to when I talked poorly of Vapor Trails. I spun it today in the store and really enjoyed it. Now, I spun it after having to listen to Astronautilis and Tool, and next to that I might even think that Carly Rae Jepsen's Kiss was a masterpiece. But I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to never having Vapor Trails listed as my least favorite Rush album again. Rush is somewhat infaliable to me though lol.
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Posted: December 29 2012 at 17:20 |
ProgKev wrote:
Well, of course that I like 80`s era, but as a person that live in Europe, I've never had a chance to catch Rush live because they are not touring that part of the world too often. And since I am going to see Rush in July 2013 I had hoped that they would play more 'evergreens ' . Because you know, it's great to hear rare gems such as " Middletown Dreams " , " Territories " , " Body Electric " , " Where's My Thing ' , " The Analog Kid " Grand Designs " , " Bravado " or " Manhattan Project " for people who already have seen Rush for quite few times. But to be honest, I would prefer to hear more classics like " Xanadu " , " Limelight " , "Red Barchetta " , " A Passage To Bangkok " " Closer To The Heart " "Freewill " , " Natural Science " " Circumstances " etc for my first show. But anyway, I hope that my first meeting with boys will be great. And I cross my fingers for R40 Tour including brilliant setlist !
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no argument there. i'd love to hear those tunes as well. add in entre nous and it'd be utterly amazing. i did enjoy seeing where's my thing. love that instrumental next to yyz. r40 would be fun. maybe some medley of old tunes like last time.
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 18:37 |
Ambient- I love your shorthand for Grace Under Pressure lol p/g is awesome
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 15:29 |
Vapor Trails is lacking progressiveness just as much as any album after it. Rush, since 2002, have been in the same vein as bands like Muse.
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 14:52 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Hmm, I always considered 2112 to Moving Pictures to be one era - like it was their proggy era. And that's always been my favorite section of their catalog.
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You could include Caress of Steel in the "proggy" era as well, since it was their first full-blown progressive rock album. Just for fun, here's how I would divide them if I was going to be really picky: Rush - FBN: Hard rock era/"Finding their way" Caress - 2112: Hard rock/metal + prog AFTK - Hemispheres: Full-blown progressive rock PW - MP: More song-based, accessible prog; a refinement of the previous era Signals - p/g: semi-progressive rock, less aggressive and more textured PW - HYF: More keyboard driven, thoughtful prog related arena rock Presto - RYB: Pop rock with mature songwriting, rhythm and groove Counterparts - T4E: Alternative rock VT - Snakes: Complex, layered song-based progressive hard rock CA: Straight-ahead hard rock with progressive touches
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 13:52 |
Hmm, I always considered 2112 to Moving Pictures to be one era - like it was their proggy era. And that's always been my favorite section of their catalog.
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 12:53 |
Well, of course that I like 80`s era, but as a person that live in Europe, I've never had a chance to catch Rush live because they are not touring that part of the world too often. And since I am going to see Rush in July 2013 I had hoped that they would play more 'evergreens ' . Because you know, it's great to hear rare gems such as " Middletown Dreams " , " Territories " , " Body Electric " , " Where's My Thing ' , " The Analog Kid " Grand Designs " , " Bravado " or " Manhattan Project " for people who already have seen Rush for quite few times. But to be honest, I would prefer to hear more classics like " Xanadu " , " Limelight " , "Red Barchetta " , " A Passage To Bangkok " " Closer To The Heart " "Freewill " , " Natural Science " " Circumstances " etc for my first show. But anyway, I hope that my first meeting with boys will be great. And I cross my fingers for R40 Tour including brilliant setlist !
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 12:43 |
the recent rush tour must have been a god-send for you 80s fans. i enjoyed hearing all the power windows stuff. playing most of clockwork angels with the strings was a real buzz kill for me though. time machine tour was just amazing.
alas, my favorite era is Farewell to Kings through Moving Pictures. that being said, i like every album because geddy lee, neil, and alex are on them!!
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Posted: December 28 2012 at 09:34 |
I agree Clockwork Angels is amazing and has extraordinary playability. I usually listen to music.by.inserting a cd and pressing play, but certain albums stand out as excellent rides. For instance Selling England By The Pound
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Posted: December 27 2012 at 15:05 |
Rush are one of my favourite bands, ever since I first saw them live way back in 1977 at the Hammersmith Odeon in London.
Kinda grown up with them through their different stages
I guess the period from around '76 thru to '87 stands out with some of my fave Rush albums including 2112, AFTK, PeW and MP.
In terms of actual song writing, I do like the 80s from MP to HYF. I know this was the synth era, but their were some really good catchy songs during this period IMO.
However, there are always enough good songs on each release , none more so than the latest one CA
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Posted: December 27 2012 at 11:34 |
Hah Mike , Hold Your Fire contains my favourite Live Rush song ever, and it is " Force Ten " . Badass bass by Geddy.. Actually that longplay is too soft and poppy, but it has some outstanding lyrics ( " We pay a great price for our vision of paradise.. ) and moments . ( Lock And Key - One of the most overlooked songs ever ) . And well, Power Windows is indeed a great album but has some lower points such as "Emotion Detector" and " Middletown Dreams", they are not bad, but they could have been better . But I think it's a matter of time to get use to SynthSound that Rush presented on that era. Sometimes it sounds like New Romantic songs, but well, it was Geddy main inspiration I assume haha :)
I had a great time with Rush In Rio week ago, what a show it was ! Check the behaviour of the Brazilian fans during 2112. They are maniacal fanatics ! One of their best sets ever. Gorgeous performance of " The Pass " , " Natural Science " " Red Sector A " ...
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Posted: December 27 2012 at 10:54 |
Ya lol I really have to give Vapor Trails a few more spins before I can truly judge it. I always find that my favorite Rush album is the one that gets the most time in my cd player. I'm thinking I'll have a Power Windows/Vapor Trails-athon this week. Probobably watch A Show Of Hands and Rush In Rio to really give those albums the edge. I didn't appreciate Hold Your Fire, for instance, until the first time I heard A Show Of Hands. When you hear, or better yet see the tracks live, it goes a long way.
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Posted: December 27 2012 at 07:34 |
Progressive Mike - Yeah , funny but for me Different Stages is also my favourite live album. Contains so many overlooked songs, like T4E, Resist , Nobody's Hero ,Show Don't Tell , performance of 2112 in it's entirety, a bunch of classics. And undeniably best vocal shape of Geddy in Rush history. Eargasm !
And Vapor Trails is truly wonderful album, with so many emotional lyrics written by Peart.. He dealt with his tragedy in a wonderful way. But what ruined that longplay in the eyes of the fans is production. Propably worst ever. Apart from Norwegian Black Metal from 90`s such as Darkthrone, I've never heard album that sounds worse. Anyway, " Ghost Rider " and " Earthshine " are propably two most emotional songs ever written by that band. For those who want to give a try to that album I strongly recomend " Bubba Skarda Remix - Vapor trails less Vapor " , it improves the sound a lot !
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Posted: December 26 2012 at 11:07 |
Early 80's for me. Every aspect was at a peak and was applied with flawless consistency. No doubt in My mind!
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