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libertycaps
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Posted: May 03 2013 at 20:05 | |||
I just ordered the Aguirre CD. I'll prolly take it slow from there.
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Sergey Lenkov
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Posted: May 03 2013 at 13:51 | |||
P.S. I find CDs by Popol Vuh in one biggest music store in Moscow, but it seems strange for me that in the Web age somebody couldn't find anything in his local store. There are Amazons, Discogs, GEMM, Musicstack, eBAy etc. - and it's easy to find any official CD or LP by Popol Vuh there.
I wanted to ask you - may be someone here is having the information - Florian was frequently credited on the albums as piano player - even on those albums there you could hardly hear the sound of piano (City Raga/Sheperd's Symphonie). Why? Did he compose the music on the piano, did he play keyboards and the keyboards were simply called "piano"? What do you think about it? Edited by Sergey Lenkov - May 03 2013 at 14:06 |
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Sergey Lenkov
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Posted: May 03 2013 at 13:29 | |||
Thank you Guldbamsen for reviving this topic!
It seems for me that Popol Vuh is much underrated project. I think that there was no single album of which you could say - This is Popol Vuh's The Dark Side of the Moon And there's no Greatest hits album which could plug you into the heart of PV's music. The style and sound dramatically changed through the years, very strong compostion or song on the album could be followed by the boring one. For the listner who likes Affenstude - Das Hohelied Solomon or Shepherd's Symphonie could be the big surprise Hosianna Mantra is very imressive and fragile but you should also listen to Aguirre or to In Den Garten Pharao to get more or less starting impression of the music by Popol Vuh. The sad thing - there are only fansites as popolvuh.nl or eurock.com which could give additional information about PV (much thanks them). The article of Gary Bearman about Transendental music of PV is informative, but sometimes is not quite correct. Gary labels the albums Spirit of Peace/For You and Me as New Age/ambient music - did Gary ever listened to real New Age/ambient music to understand the difference between "Spirit of Peace" by PV and Deuter/Kitaro and the relaxation music? Gary do right in other thing - there's ritualistic element in Popol Vuh music which was much developed and much more manifested in the music by modern ambient musicians - Klaus Wiese (he tought Florian Fricke to play Oriental instrument tampura), Robert Rich (Temple of the Invisible), Oophoi or Mathias Grassow as example, but it's obviously not Spirit of Peace/For You and Me should be mentioned in this context There are many mentions in the interviews of Florian Fricke about his work with other musicians in the 80-90s, about his last piano/ambient album, there's Kailash soundtrack, there are some bootleg concert recordings of PV - why not to publish it all officially at last? We are buying SPV remastered editions only to find 2 different versions of the booklet with the same 2 texts in all CD digipacks. As for me - I'm not typical PV lover. For the first time I heard music by Florian in film Aguirre back in the 90s on TV and was much impressed, but I started to listen to PV and to buy their albums only after I had heard... The Shepherd's Symphonie. I'm lstening much to electronic music and I was so impressed that Florian could compose light positive compostions in Deep Forest/Enigma style that I started to listen to the older olbums and did opened new world for myself. I wrote the main part of Russian Wiki article about Popol Vuh - I believe for now it's most developed Wiki article about PV. Popol Vuh couldn't be fixed stylistcally into the very obvious genre, even prog is not quite adecvate term here. I hope the more people would open for themselves the wonderful music by Popol Vuh.
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moshkito
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Posted: October 28 2012 at 18:27 | |||
And there is other music in the film as well, including Wagner. Of all the films he did music for, none fit the film better than "Aguirre", which actually had Florian compose something that Werner used a lot, with the long cut on side 2 of the LP. And used very well, to help you feel the anguish, the fear and everything else. There is a line in the Florian interview that is fun and far out for me ... and it was about Werner going into the closet, picking up some tapes and next week he would come around ... look Florian, I have a film! So if you think that one image/idea influences the other, here is the opposite ... some music helped Werner see things though it that he went out and immediately put together a story around it ... and the whole thing is soooooo "krautrock" that it is insane. It's the free-form-ness of the creativity of the work ... you don't think twice ... you do the work ... and you can evaluate and edit later and add/subtract anything that you wish. But in general, from film, theater and writing experience, you always KEEP about 90% of the original ... because that is where the color, the vision and the detail is ... and you pretty much only fix a couple of words here or there! With Werner, and Klaus Kinki (the krautrock of acting!) ... it was all free form and his camera catching as much as possible! Now tell the the difference between Florian's forays into his vision and experiment, Guru Guru's early albums, Werner Herzog's early films (remember one of his first films was about Amon Duul 2!), Wim Wenders camera and photographs, Peter Handke and his word "plays" and many other folks that became famous in Germany for their work. And unlike others, even Klaus Schulze is appreciated in his land, and Edgar Froese gets an evening with an orchestra that does his work! ... And we just do top ten!
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Doomstoner
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 21:01 | |||
The music is very fitting for Herzog's Nosferatu! Great film and soundtrack.
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moshkito
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 16:36 | |||
I actually agree. The real problem is that there are way too many folks out there doing stuff under the auspices and the name of this and that, and the spiritual'ness of it all is just a set of words or lyrics, and not really anything else. For example, YES's TFTO is one of the most spiritual things ever written that I have ever seen, or heard. It is no different than reading the Bardo, the Popol Vuh (the book!), and many others. However, because it was here at the time of rock music and some popular music, it is not thought of as this at all, but as something else ... that more folks find a way to trash, then appreciate good work. Jon Anderson's Olias in SunHillow is the same thing ... quite out there ... but we have a problem here ... it's folks thinking that "religious" music has to have an ORGAN ... loud and clear and if it has pipes all the better ... that makes it "religious" and that is one of the most bizarre and silly ideas ever devised ... so now comes something where the folks are heavily into meditation and internal work, and they create something ... and no one knows about it, because the most internal and spiritual folks, don't usually talk about it ... it's a personal trip ... but we, as an "audience" (and a PAYING audience for that matter) always feel that you can't do this, because you MUST know what day and hour Jesus came and went and what happened to believe it, 2k years after terrible translations and ideas and mis-translations ... In general, from what I understand, if you are innerly centered, regardless of how you do it -- I believe arts are no different than a "religion", btw -- it doesn't matter what your medium is ... you will do whatever makes sense to you ... and no one will understand it anyway ... this was the case with so many of them, going all the way back to the Summerian days ... and nobody believed them and even persecuted many of them because they were "thinkers" that were against the feudal lords with their words! It's still like this today - except in America and England we use a board like this one and state that there is no opinion, or reality ... there is only a database! ... you have to draw your own conclusions, even if you are not centered enough! Yeah ... as some mystic said, everything you ever wanted or needed is right in front of you if you ever want to reach for it! Unfortunately, you have been told that you need so many CD's and crystals, and books and people saying that it is good in PA for you to know the difference! Someone's individual experience is not important to you, to learn how to figure it all out! This is what my tagline is about, in case you didn't notice it!
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zhengyi23
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Posted: October 26 2012 at 20:59 | |||
watermouse
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Posted: October 25 2012 at 22:39 | |||
moshkito
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Posted: September 16 2012 at 14:46 | |||
Thanks Dean ... shameless plug for the link! I wish that we could do an interview of Archie himself ... because he is insane, and his knowledge of music is amazing and he is so very independent ... I'll see if I can get this done for PA ... he deserves a strong mention in the history of all progressive music. And he is still sharing it around!
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 10 2012 at 18:10 | |||
^ Now that you've really underscored it, I'm getting it now.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 10 2012 at 13:29 | |||
It was actually our dear Finnish friend Eetu that made me revisit Popol Vuh with his recent review stint.
This one tends to be overlooked, which is such a shame:
From Progarchives.com, the ultimate progressive rock music website
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 23:14 | |||
^ Yes, that website is really cool, especially the photo gallery. For the record: I've never quite bought into this whole "spirituality and religious experience" thing. Never been into religion, but I don't have to be in order to enjoy their music.
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cstack3
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 23:14 | |||
I'm only familiar with the soundtrack to "Aguirre, The Wrath of God" (one of my all-time favorite movies!), and it is absolutely gorgeous!!
If you've never seen this, check it out!! The instrument used in the opening is fascinating...I used to think it was a Mellotron with 8-voice choir tapes (like "Dance with the Moonlit Knight" intro), but it is instead a different beast called a "choir organ." It was also used on seminal Kraut-Rock works like "Wolf City" by Amon Duul II! Read about it here http://www.popolvuh.nl/pvchoir Edited by cstack3 - September 09 2012 at 23:17 |
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TODDLER
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 22:23 | |||
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MFP
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 18:02 | |||
I only have In De Garten Pharaos. Vuh is one of the best epics I've ever heard.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:16 | |||
Thank you for that link Dean. Much appreciated.
Regarding the thread, I am glad to see so many positive voices here. In many ways that is also what Florian's music was about, and sorry if that came off sounding incredibly corny, but it's the truth. Not only did his music radiate tenderness and compassion like a fullblown musical religion, the way it got played by the musicians was beautifully democratic. Even with a superb lead guitarist like Connie Veit guesting in on some of the albums, that omnipresent vibe of a living breathing musical collective playing democratically together always comes first. Shines through. |
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Dean
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 16:57 | |||
What?
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moshkito
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 16:42 | |||
Hi,
If you all, ever, have the chance, there is in the ProgArchives cemetary, a really nice interview by Archie Patterson with Florian before he passed away. It is lovely and also gives a really good insight into the mind of Werner Herzog and what could be considered "krautfilm" at the time which was also experimental, and free form, pretty much the same thing as the music did! There is very little work by Florian that was not special ... and the one thing that most can not appreciate and too many folks in the "new age" crowd would not get, is that the spiritual work does not need advertising to tell you what it is about. One of the stores here in Portland immediately pulled all Popol Vuh after I said it, and were upset I was not agreeing with their cheap choices ... and not have Mike Oldfield, Vangelis and Ryuichi Sakamoto ... in their shelves. For all intents and purposes, that store was out of business within the year ... I've said all along that if you are not spirit, you can not stand up to spirit and think that you can win and beat it, even if it is money! Mind you, the time that these albums came up, and that Robert Fripp and Eno, had not quite ... yet ... started on their quiet stuff ... which makes this stuff even more important and valuable, along with the really early Tangerine Dream stuff, prior to "Stratosfear" ... where Popol Vuh was more spiritual and intuitive, I would say that Tangerine Dream's was more ... "dopey" and more intelectual, by comparison. Some of the prettiest stuff ever done by a single artist!
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 13:04 | |||
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 13:02 | |||
One of my favourite bands to come out of Germany in the 1970's. Pretty rare stuff to find in your average record store, but I'm fortunate to have a local shop that specializes in rare imports such as Popul Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel and all that good stuff. As for the music, I've been listening to quite a bit lately, particularly their classic, essential material - Hosianna Mantra and In De Garten. Beautiful and spiritual - love it.
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