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giselle 
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 Posted: May 02 2011 at 06:01 |
Of course it's a matter of opinion, and 'definitive' is in the ear of the listener as well as the figures for the record sales, but that isn't necessarily the same as thing as the 'product' being artistically accurate or valid. As far as I'm concerned, the 'guests' you mention were collaborators/assistants in Ian Anderson's projects, not fully-fledged band members as such. If Ian could have gone to the concerts and played all the instruments himself he would have done. He's a clever and talented guy, but it makes it all too one-dimensional. I heard several of these incarnations 'live'. I stand by my opinion - the original band was the best, and in fact, the only 'band' as such.
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leonalvarado
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 14:55 |
 jean-marie wrote:
being a great Tull fan , i saw the band many times on stage in France as well in the seventies as in the eigties, never been disapointed....but of course i prefer when the band was so much theatralistic, whith a great humour sense |
I know what you mean. One thing I have definitely noticed about Ian is his ability to be a whole performer and not just a musician. He is quite different outside his persona in Jethro Tull. On stage, he has a great ability to make the audience feel comfortable. He has a sharp wit and is exceptionally good with words. Regarding the music, he has always put the quality of his music as a top priority. Albums like "A" and "Under Wraps" didn't work out as well due to many conflicting forces at the time. Things like preassure from the record label, trends in popular music and the invention of MTV. But , even with all that put into play, Ian did a very good job in keeping the Tull sound at least within its own grasp. They never changed the personality in search for a big commercial hit. Tull simply changed enough of itself in order to survive the onslaught of commercialism that took over the airwaves. Bands like Genesis and YES changed completely form what they were once. Tull stayed true to their sound because of Ian.
as far as which incarnation of Jethro Tull was the best one, I think that is in the eye of the beholder. For me, the best music the band did started with "War Child" and ended with "Heavy Horses". Having said that, I like all the work Jethro Tull has done so far. Some albums past "Heavy Horses" are much weaker in my opinion but "Crest of a Knave" was a brilliant album. Who knows? If there is another Tull album coming, it could be a great one.
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jean-marie
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 12:45 |
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being a great Tull fan , i saw the band many times on stage in France as well in the seventies as in the eigties, never been disapointed....but of course i prefer when the band was so much theatralistic, whith a great humour sense
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Ozexpat
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 12:35 |
giselle wrote:
Ozexpat wrote:
Well, I for one would see them again. |
Well you'd best rustle up Bunker, Abrahams, and Cornick. THAT was Tull. The rest was/is Ian Anderson and friends. |
A matter of opinion. They were certainly the original JT, but not necessarily the 'definitive' JT.
I see that as Martin Barre, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, Barriemore Barlow
and John Evan. Or if you want to be pedantic John Evan was a guest
performer along with long time orchestrator and collaborator David
Palmer.
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jean-marie
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 11:47 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Aw, I thought they were going to cover that Fleetwood Mac album. 
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and so what? you love this album? or is it a new joke? i do 
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leonalvarado
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Posted: April 30 2011 at 17:51 |
I have added a somewhat lengthy chronological history of Jethro Tull on my blog. I'm trying to give a pretty complete picture of the bands that I have done work for. Please take the time to check it out:
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leonalvarado
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Posted: April 27 2011 at 22:04 |
I think either way, it will be nice to have something new from the Tull camp. On my blog I started a post regarding people's perceptions of Ian as well as some anecdotes form when I met him.
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JeanFrame
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Posted: April 27 2011 at 09:47 |
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Perhaps Ian Anderson is going to announce an album that other people had a hand in? Far-fetched, I know.
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leonalvarado
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Posted: April 27 2011 at 08:09 |
The acoustic Tull songs may be beautiful but to me the best Tull albums offer a good balance between acoustic and more energetic songs. I liked "Crest of a Knave" because it sounded different at the time. It was, to me, the first of the "gentler" Tull albums and had a sound not too dissimilar to late Dire Straits. However, albums like Songs form the Wood have a bit more energy to them (plus Barrie Barlow who is an incredible drummer). I wish (and I'm aware theat is only a wish), that the band would come out with another album that's more balanced like "Songs" or "Heavy Horses" were.
That's just my opinion.
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Evolver
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 22:09 |
Heathcliffe wrote:
Dunno about 'docile' the acoustic songs of Tull are beautiful. I would be happy with an album of new gentle Tull songs. |
I agree. Thay are approaching 100. 
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Heathcliffe
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 21:43 |
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Dunno about 'docile' the acoustic songs of Tull are beautiful. I would be happy with an album of new gentle Tull songs.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 21:36 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
They seriously better release someting in 125 days. If, after 125 days, the only announce the release of something, then I might take a crowbar to their publicity agent or whatever. God.
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Well announcing that you're going to be making an announcment seems to work pretty well for Valve... |
And for the developers of any sourcemod, ever.
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leonalvarado
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 21:35 |
Here is the thing though, I read somewhere that there will be another Tull album. I also have read more than once that Ian is not that interested in rock anymore, instead he prefers something more in tune with British folk songs (which in a way, it means a more docile and quieter Tull). The days of albums full of raw energy are long gone. Ian is an excellent song writer but time has a way in slowing down the fastest one on all of us. I don't know how good a new Tull album will be. The last album I really enjoyed was "Crest Of A Knave". The albums that followed seemed to copy the same formula but not quite the same.
For me, I rather they go ahead and do a "Thick as a Brick" tour were they play the whole thing from beginning to end. I'd go see that! Then, maybe I'll be ready for a new "docile" Tull album.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 20:03 |
Aw, I thought they were going to cover that Fleetwood Mac album.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 16:52 |
stonebeard wrote:
They seriously better release someting in 125 days. If, after 125 days, the only announce the release of something, then I might take a crowbar to their publicity agent or whatever. God.
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Well announcing that you're going to be making an announcment seems to work pretty well for Valve...
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 16:49 |
lazland wrote:
In the last issue of CRPR Anderson said that it was likely there would be a new Tull album. |
I think I read that somewhere too, but it was no reliable source. Hopefully its true though. I know they have some new songs that could use a home.
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giselle
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 15:46 |
Ozexpat wrote:
Well, I for one would see them again. |
Well you'd best rustle up Bunker, Abrahams, and Cornick. THAT was Tull. The rest was/is Ian Anderson and friends.
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Evolver
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 11:12 |
You may have the wrong album:
From jtull.com:
"Aqualung 40th Anniversary Tour hits USA/Canada in June, Ian solo dates in Latin America, and more!"
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lazland
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 11:04 |
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In the last issue of CRPR Anderson said that it was likely there would be a new Tull album.
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Posted: April 26 2011 at 02:19 |
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