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nacho 
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 Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:37 |
Three names to start with: J.S. Bach, Berlioz, Wagner
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Sir Realist
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:24 |
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Great. Name some.
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I can have double standards, and you can't
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nacho
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:04 |
 Sir Realist wrote:
Actually, Beethoven is the ultimate prog. He pushed the boundaries of,
and redefined, every form in which he wrote. He made music louder,
more dramatic, more searching, and more extended. |
What you have written is true, but I think I could write a number of names where you wrote Beethoven, keep the rest of the sentence, and it would still be true...
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Sir Realist
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 15:52 |
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Actually, Beethoven is the ultimate prog. He pushed the boundaries of,
and redefined, every form in which he wrote. He made music louder,
more dramatic, more searching, and more extended.
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I can have double standards, and you can't
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 15:15 |
There is more than one composition called Images.
"Images 1ere Serie"
"Images 2eme Serie"
"Images (oubliées)"
all for piano, and
"Images pour Orchestre"
I don't know any orchestrated version of "Images" 1 and 2 or "Images (oubliées)" (and i have also the strangest Debussy's compositions, such as Rapsodie pour Saxophone, Khamma, Tarantelle Styrienne, etc.) but maybe there are a lot...
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 13:17 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Orchestral versions of Images is great. |
To clear up some confusion here: the orchestral composition Images is a totally different work from the piano compositions Images. The orchestral Images consists of 3 parts:
Gigues
Iberia
Rondes de printemps
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 12:38 |
Sir Realist wrote:
classical music? Definitely. What could be more Prog than "The Rite of
Spring" or the Bartok string quartets? |
Very exerimental pieces of music... especially Bartok's quartets, difficult but rewarding, i don't find the so-much-praised Shostakovich quartets at same level  .
About 20th century, i love Prokofiev and Hindemith quartets 
Edited by ita_prog_fan
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 12:31 |
haas wrote:
I have never heard these Orchestral Version!! But most times I hate the orchestral versions because the composer didn't write it for an orchestra but for the piano. I really don't like these arrangers who arrange such a masterpiece to something it wasn't ment to be. |
You're right , for example the Ravel orchestrated version of Pictures at an Exhibition is very nice and skillful but the orignal for piano got a unrivalled beauty and poetic force
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 07:48 |
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Hmm...i see what you mean.
I will look at it and tell you the best "images" orchestral versions.
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haas
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 07:25 |
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I have never heard these Orchestral Version!! But most times I hate the orchestral versions because the composer didn't write it for an orchestra but for the piano. I really don't like these arrangers who arrange such a masterpiece to something it wasn't ment to be.
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 06:22 |
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Orchestral versions of Images is great.
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haas
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 05:38 |
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:) haha, he was in a way right, it is kind off new age. I personally like his piano works, the etudes, the preludes, Images (oubliees), they are simply great :D.
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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Sir Realist
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:59 |
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classical music? Definitely. What could be more Prog than "The Rite of
Spring" or the Bartok string quartets?
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I can have double standards, and you can't
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:40 |
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Yes!!!
Debussy's chamber music is great, especialy the trio
you quote for flute, viola and harp.
So etheral!
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:22 |
oliverstoned wrote:
haas wrote:
Debussy is the "progger" of the classical world. He is my favorite. I also like Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Moussorgsky, Ravel, Prokofiev, Andriessen, Grieg, Schubert and Bach.
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Completely agree: it's the more modern classical composer!
And what do you think of Ravel?
He's very close |
Some years ago i was listening to Debussy's trio for flute, viola (alto  ) and harp and a friend of mine said to me: "wow ! do you like new age !?" 
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 06:12 |
haas wrote:
Debussy is the "progger" of the classical world. He is my favorite. I also like Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Moussorgsky, Ravel, Prokofiev, Andriessen, Grieg, Schubert and Bach.
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Completely agree: it's the more modern classical composer!
And what do you think of Ravel?
He's very close
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haas
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:44 |
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Debussy is the "progger" of the classical world. He is my favorite. I also like Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Moussorgsky, Ravel, Prokofiev, Andriessen, Grieg, Schubert and Bach.
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:02 |
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Yes, it's great also!
Her's a list of composers close to Ravel:
Camille Saint-Saëns
Igor Stravinsky
Modest Mussorgsky
Ernest Chausson
Francis Poulenc
Sergey Prokofiev
Albert Roussel
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:39 |
oliverstoned wrote:
1-Debussy/Ravel
2-Many others! |
And what about Faurè ? Isn't he, a little bit, their Daddy ?
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:35 |
Dan Yaron wrote:
I've grown up on classical music. My favourite composer at the moment at is Oliver Messiaen. His compositions aren't very "catchy" like the famous symphonies by the well known composers. |
I must admit... when i entered the maze of "Turangalila Simphony" i couldn't get out by myself... i was saved by a COAST GUARD CHOPPER !
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