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Kashmir75 
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 Posted: December 10 2009 at 01:05 |
 infandous wrote:
I'm not sure how you compare these groups, as they are nothing alike. However, it is worth pointing out that Mike Portnoy loves PTree, but Steven Wilson doesn't much care for Dream Theater. Of course, my impression is that I'd much rather hang out with Portnoy than Wilson, as Wilson strikes me as an arrogant sort.
If we are comparing lyrics, PTree by an incredibly wide margin. If we are comparing music, I'd say I prefer PTree, though DT certainly have the edge in terms of technique and instrumental skill. But PTree just write better songs, better melodies, and have much more palatable vocals for my taste. Though to be fair, neither bands vocals are all that great to my ears.
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SW can't dislike DT all that much, because he agreed to do a guest spot on 2007's Systematic Chaos album, and PT have toured with DT before. I think he's on good terms with Portnoy.
I agree that PT have better lyrics and melodies. DT obviously outdo them in technical virtuosity, but they need to know when to cut it back sometimes.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: December 10 2009 at 00:42 |
AgentSpork wrote:
Well, Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater do have similarities in that their lyrical content often ranges from silly to downright terrible, but for completely different reasons. Other than that, I don't think either band's music is really all that comparable. You have one band that prefers layered guitar and vocals to make songs with a lot of depth and emotion, and pit that against another band that relies entirely on technical skill and fast playing as its primary songwriting mechanism. In addition, one band creates their music in a vacuum and doesn't really take into consideration much what the fans want, whereas the other band has spent the last decade providing fan service. Just saying.
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I'm curious. Which of these has offered 'fan service' over the last decade, I wonder? PT don't seem to care much what people's expectations are. They just make the music they want to. And I applaud them for that. DT polarise their fans more and more with each release, so I don't think they listen too much to the fans either. And they shouldn't. Listening to the fans: big mistake.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: December 10 2009 at 00:40 |
I'm the OP, and I started this thread not because I think the bands are all that similar, but because they are two of the more popular prog bands these days. The 'poster boys', if you will.
DT comes in for a lot of flak around this site. I like them, personally. And PT are one of my favourite bands ever.
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JLocke
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 23:46 |
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Porcupine Tree
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Repner
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 22:39 |
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I could spend hours trying to think of an answer, and still not get anywhere. I love them both
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AgentSpork
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 19:07 |
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Well, Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater do have similarities in that their lyrical content often ranges from silly to downright terrible, but for completely different reasons. Other than that, I don't think either band's music is really all that comparable. You have one band that prefers layered guitar and vocals to make songs with a lot of depth and emotion, and pit that against another band that relies entirely on technical skill and fast playing as its primary songwriting mechanism. In addition, one band creates their music in a vacuum and doesn't really take into consideration much what the fans want, whereas the other band has spent the last decade providing fan service. Just saying.
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infandous
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 09:32 |
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I'm not sure how you compare these groups, as they are nothing alike. However, it is worth pointing out that Mike Portnoy loves PTree, but Steven Wilson doesn't much care for Dream Theater. Of course, my impression is that I'd much rather hang out with Portnoy than Wilson, as Wilson strikes me as an arrogant sort.
If we are comparing lyrics, PTree by an incredibly wide margin. If we are comparing music, I'd say I prefer PTree, though DT certainly have the edge in terms of technique and instrumental skill. But PTree just write better songs, better melodies, and have much more palatable vocals for my taste. Though to be fair, neither bands vocals are all that great to my ears.
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jampa17
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 09:06 |
Hypongle wrote:
Joined this forum a moment ago to say something totally different. But, after reading this topic, I have to ask....
Do people perhaps think that Dream Theater's vocals are just a little bit too 'cock-rock-post-glam' to fill out the otherwise interesting musicianship & compositions presented by the band ? And in saying that, aren't the compositions largely a little bit clinical & labourious in their unfolding ?
To clarify, I have heard (by way of owning the CD's) about five releases by DT, so I may have missed their finest gems that have propelled them towards the pedestal and stand as as "Prog Rock Super-Gods" in the eyes of many.
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Yes, maybe you missed Awake, Images&Words and Scenes from a Memory... look as this is an Appreciation thread, people should take more than a minute and makes arguments, like saying that DT members are better than the PT musicians, technically and for the range of capacities, DT members are way ahead PT, Even Labrie has a wider vocal range, more strengh in his voice and a vocal training better than Wilson... yes, you can like it or not, but DT is most qualify to make better songs, and in a matter of fact they are... but at the moment people is just saying who they like more, not arguing why or what they don't like from the other band... Which album you have heard about them and about PT...???
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Hypongle
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 05:13 |
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Joined this forum a moment ago to say something totally different. But, after reading this topic, I have to ask....
Do people perhaps think that Dream Theater's vocals are just a little bit too 'cock-rock-post-glam' to fill out the otherwise interesting musicianship & compositions presented by the band ? And in saying that, aren't the compositions largely a little bit clinical & labourious in their unfolding ?
To clarify, I have heard (by way of owning the CD's) about five releases by DT, so I may have missed their finest gems that have propelled them towards the pedestal and stand as as "Prog Rock Super-Gods" in the eyes of many.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: December 07 2009 at 01:01 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Porcupine Tree.
PT is so much more diverse than DT stylistically. The one thing I can't stand about Dream Theater is that I can't stand about 95% of their songwriting, which jumps up to 99% after Kevin Moore left.
Porcupine Tree are brilliant as technical musicians, and I love nearly everything they've written and released.
That is obviously just personal taste though; I'm not straight up saying PT is better, I'm saying they're what I'm looking for in a prog band. |
Although I am a fan of both, I agree with you that PT focus more on songwriting than on shredding and showing off. DT can write good songs, but sometimes they do need to edit themselves a bit more.
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The Truth
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 20:45 |
The first word that came to my mind is ugh. I think I'll stick with that as my vote
Haven't we had a poll like this before?
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 20:31 |
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Dream Theater.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 20:16 |
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Porcupine Tree for me.
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NecroManiac
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 20:05 |
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Porcupine Tree.
The only reason Dream Theater isn't simply categorized as a power metal group is because of their concept albums and their overbearing (at times) instrumental w**kery.
Don't get me wrong though, I kind of like Dream Theater. I just get easily tired of all the cheese.
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What's yer faovrite album? =^_^=
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CPicard
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 19:51 |
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King Crimson.
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MikEZzZZ
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 19:23 |
can't compare them....
PT is Prog Psychedelic Rock and DT is Prog Metal....
but so far i still choose Dream Theater....  |
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hirszu
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 18:54 |
Why confront them? There is no sense in comparing them - ... ... -DT is much better 
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 11:58 |
Both are terribly overrated, but I'd pick Porcupine Tree by far.
Porcupine Tree created some very interesting albums. FOABP and Nil Recurring are very good releases and I enjoy The Incident as well, but most of their other stuff is nothing more than decent IMO. Dream Theater is unlistenable to me.
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Elderflower Man
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 10:41 |
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Can't say I've listened to much Porcupine Tree- although The Incident is one of the best CDs I've heard all year- but I've liked what I've heard. However, Dream Theater are my overall favourite band, so I think I'll have to go with them.
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RoeDent
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 09:03 |
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I love both of these bands, but on the basis that I'm not familiar with the entire PT catalogue, I'll go for Dream Theater this time.
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