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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2024 at 12:06
I got it too. 
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Same here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2024 at 11:50
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

I have received what appears to be a spam message from this member:

https://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=78287

with a link to his myitalianprog.com website but I could not find a report feature in messenger... seems a bit iffy when it's a new member and is probably messaging members at random.

Just a heads up for you admins.

I received that same message too, which immediately put me on spam alert, wondering if we'd all been spammed with the same message -  and it looks like we have. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2024 at 11:45
^ Thanks, I received it too. I figured maybe because I was one of those who posted in the recent Italian Prog polls. The site is legit and he wants to promote it. Not the best way to go about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2024 at 11:41
I have received what appears to be a spam message from this member:

https://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=78287

with a link to his myitalianprog.com website but I could not find a report feature in messenger... seems a bit iffy when it's a new member and is probably messaging members at random.

Just a heads up for you admins.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 10:55
Quote I would like rules about AI, and unfortunately it is hard to enforce (there would be invasive ways to limit it).
If I was you, I would do whatever it takes to enforce it, similar to what the Newgrounds staff did!

Edited by Hrychu - June 02 2024 at 10:57
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 09:30
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Spam is a bit like prog, isn't it? People use the term as if there were a single clearly and unambiguously defined true meaning of it, but there isn't. In a discussion we can try to make transparent how people use such terms differently, but there is no authority for saying this one is right and that one is wrong.


Spam is like a box of chocolates, squidgy, processed pork with plenty of sodium nitrite as a preservative.

Spam is unsolicited, generally repetitive, generally unwanted, and comes in bulk, flooding commonly, and the internet tech/ computing name does come from the Monty Python Sketch. Generally it is stuff sent out to many sites, commonly emails, for commercial purposes/ financial gain. I hate that AI stuff and it really worries me when it comes to discussion boards, reviews, bios etc. here. We might as well just have all the members be AI if that is what we use to communicate (and it might go that way too). I would like rules about AI, and unfortunately it is hard to enforce (there would be invasive ways to limit it). If one is putting up multiple/many unsolicited AI generated posts and reviews then I would consider that to be spam. Unsolicited AI generated content here is spammy to me. What we call it is not that important except when it comes to the rules, and I would like rules on it as said.

Edited by Logan - June 02 2024 at 10:54
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 07:14
I suspect the term derives from the classic Monty Python Spam sketch - it's foisted upon you whether you want it or not.

When it comes to emailed spam it probably applies to anything from sources you've never heard of, advertising stuff you don't want (and probably also a scam).

As for technical definitions for these kind of terms I usually refer to Computer Hope.

https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/s/spam.htm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 06:33
Spam is a bit like prog, isn't it? People use the term as if there were a single clearly and unambiguously defined true meaning of it, but there isn't. In a discussion we can try to make transparent how people use such terms differently, but there is no authority for saying this one is right and that one is wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 03:57
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Spam = unwanted post. If nobody wants it, it's spam. It's not just my words. It's your words as well.


In the context of forums, my understanding of the term 'spam' is that it refers to posts that have no relevance to the discussion in hand, AND are made purely for the purpose of self promotion, or promoting a product or cause (that no-one is remotely interested in).

Subsequently it differs substantially from practices such as going off topic, or trolling.


Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

no relevance to the discussion in hand


Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

discussion


Yes. Indeed. Discussion. AI bots are by design not able to participate in a discussion because they lack self awareness.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 03:50
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Spam = unwanted post. If nobody wants it, it's spam. It's not just my words. It's your words as well.


In the context of forums, my understanding of the term 'spam' is that it refers to posts that have no relevance to the discussion in hand, AND are made purely for the purpose of self promotion, or promoting a product or cause (that no-one is remotely interested in).

Subsequently it differs substantially from practices such as going off topic, or trolling.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 00:52
I think that providing misleading/false information with the use of a AI bots is spam as well. The forum rules were written in 2005 when AI bots were not a thing yet. But now, it's an evolving grey area. And it's becoming more and more dangerous because it gives trolls and scammers new powerful weaponry. The "tectonic guitars" thing was just a taster of what spambots can do to ruin a human-based discussion community, injecting loads upon loads of machine-made nonsense into our online conversations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:38
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Spam = unwanted post. If nobody wants it, it's spam.

Just "unwanted"?! It's a little bit more. If it's "unwanted:, then someone going off-topic in a thread, it's spam. Someone's trolling and mockery can be considered spam. 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:25
Spam = unwanted post. If nobody wants it, it's spam. It's not just my words. It's your words as well.

Edited by Hrychu - June 01 2024 at 07:29
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:23
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Nobody wants ChatGPT created posts for sure, but in the end it's not spam.

Spam is also something abusive, like an obnoxious uninvited guest. LOL
You've contradicted yourself once again. Wow!

How?! Ouch

What does spam mean to you?! Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:20
Quote Nobody wants ChatGPT created posts for sure, but in the end it's not spam.

Spam is also something abusive, like an obnoxious uninvited guest. LOL
You've contradicted yourself once again. Wow! I mean, you're saying it's not spam yet it fits the definition of spam you'd stated before. Schrödinger's spam. :P I mean, I kind of understand why you might be simping for ChatGPT but it's getting ridiculous.

Edited by Hrychu - June 01 2024 at 07:24
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:17
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Some information on music generated by ChatGPT could be, like it or not, useful.
Yes and no. It depends on what information you want ChatGPT to give you. If it's some basic stuff then there's a high chance it's not gonna tell you any bogus bullshіt. But when it comes to more complex debatable topics or politics, ChatGPT is worthless. B)

Except, that doesn't matter cuz in the end Progarchives Forum is an internet message board meant for you to have conversations with real people. It's not an automatic robotic encyclopedia filled with partially useful info and partially dumbass crap (like the aforementioned doomsday drumming and tectonic guitars). Filling this place with ChatGPT bots is certainly far from the spirit of this forum.

I agree with what you say. 
 
Nobody wants ChatGPT created posts for sure, but in the end it's not spam. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 07:10
Quote Some information on music generated by ChatGPT could be, like it or not, useful.
Yes and no. It depends on what information you want ChatGPT to give you. If it's some basic stuff then there's a high chance it's not gonna tell you any bogus bullshіt. But when it comes to more complex debatable topics or politics, ChatGPT is worthless. B)

Except, that doesn't matter cuz in the end Progarchives Forum is an internet message board meant for you to have conversations with real people. It's not an automatic robotic encyclopedia filled with partially useful info and partially dumbass crap (like the aforementioned doomsday drumming and tectonic guitars). Filling this place with ChatGPT bots is certainly far from the spirit of this forum.

And even if you don't agree with all I've just said, you will admit this. "Watanabe" (more like Roboto-San) did not put any information or a disclaimer they were using AI generated text in their posts. That alone is scamming. It's against the forum guidelines anyway.

Edited by Hrychu - June 01 2024 at 07:15
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 06:58
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ maybe not spam, but it's AI generated indeed.
This is a contradictory statement in its purest form. ;)

is it?! Confused
Some information on music generated by ChatGPT could be, like it or not, useful. 
It's just a lazy way (also an easy way) to do it. 

Spam is also something abusive, like an obnoxious uninvited guest. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2024 at 06:43
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ maybe not spam, but it's AI generated indeed.
This is a contradictory statement in its purest form. ;)
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