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Guldbamsen 
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 Posted: February 23 2013 at 20:44 |
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They should battle it out in a beard stand off.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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WanderingLogician
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 20:37 |
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Ringo Starr and Neil Peart should have a drum battle to settle this...
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 20:17 |
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Wow. I seem to have infected your post with my cold...
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 20:16 |
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Things get controversial round here in the most ludicrous ways. It's part of why I love PA... |
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Kati
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Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: February 23 2013 at 19:11 |
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I have argumented above on this forum why I like and prefer the Beatles, tastes differ and difference of opinion is ok too
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 19:05 |
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Kati
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:57 |
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You have a very nice mind, certainly not worth to be blown up by any poll
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Horizons
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:55 |
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I realize there are going to be some people that dislike Rush. But to have this lead is blowing my mind.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Kati
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:50 |
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I am not much a fan of a 3 member band nor do I think Geddy's high pitched vocals as impressive, I am the only prog listening female so far that thinks so anyway, but pls don't shoot me  ELP was also a 3 member band but they had great guests on their albums especially guitarists.
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Horizons
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:45 |
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I don't know how The Beatles could be winning this.
Sure they were influential, but i can't believe that people on PA would prefer them musically to Rush.. It is same issue with KC's debut. Influence doesn't equal quality.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Kati
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:43 |
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hahahaha Guldbamsen, it seems to have become a controversial poll and indeed kudos for the strange poll
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 18:07 |
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How this thread got to page 27 is quite simply beyond me...
Anyway, I think I'll go for ze Beatles. Kudos for a strange poll though. |
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Kati
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Posted: February 23 2013 at 17:18 |
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NEWS!!! Al DiMeola new album plays Beatles
 Al Di Meola plays Beatles and more as his latest project! The world famous guitarist has come to Abbey Road, London to record a new CD dedicated to the Beatles featuring a number of Beatles covers as well as a couple of new Al Di Meola pieces inspired by the fab four.
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NYSPORTSFAN
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Posted: February 21 2013 at 20:50 |
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Interesting take songs like "Taxman", "Tomorrow Never Knows & "Helter Skelter" or the grungie type blues song of "Yer Blues" and you hear strong traces of modern rock music of bands like The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, The Chemical Brothers, Nirvana and The White Stripes. One form of 70's music that might be forgotten on a prog site would be Power Pop. There is no denying The Beatles influence on all of Power Pop. I can easily see The Beatles influence on prog or more experimental types of music. Albums like Revolver to Magical Mystery Tour were not really grounded by the rhythm of rock or blues but more in experimental orchestrated sounds or electronic sound collage forms with a heavy melodic content in creating odd sounds. The musicians and albums the Beatles influenced is staggering to think of. Many of the albums I can think of is The Zombies Odessey & Oracle, Oasis Be Here Now, Radiohead O.K Computer, The Pretty Things S.F. Sorrow, Pink Pipers At Gates of Dawn, Prince Around The World, The Beach Pet Sounds and so on and so on. The Jefferson Airplane re-recorded After Bathing At Baxters after hearing Sgt. Pepper and The Doors had a early acetate of Sgt. Pepper which influenced the Doors to experiment in the studio. How many prog albums or even rock albums in general are based on conceptual themes with tracks linking into each other with a relation to the album cover art-work like Sgt. Pepper? The examples are countless. That is one of many examples. By the way there is one member of Rush that is influenced by a Beatle and that would be Geddy Lee who is influenced Macca's melodic bass style. Edited by NYSPORTSFAN - February 21 2013 at 20:54 |
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Tristan
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Posted: February 21 2013 at 17:29 |
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I saw Rush last summer with my son. I give Rush the nod for longevity and still putting out great music. The Beatles folded before I could drive.
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Doorer
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Posted: February 21 2013 at 03:11 |
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Both bands are great, though if you make me to choose - Beatles.
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-Johan http://greenavis.com/
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 23:30 |
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That may be true for the likes of Oasis or Arctic Monkeys but I guess in the 70s, wordsmiths like Dylan, Paul Simon, Ray Davies and Morrison would have been regarded in greater light for their lyrics than the Beatles. I think you are looking too much for direct resemblances but that's not the main contribution of Beatles (though I'll come to it in a bit). It was simply, at first, to popularize and legitimize the idea that musicians could write their own songs and didn't need to be controlled tightly by the labels. And in the second half of their career, to ride their success to experiment freely with an astonishing variety of sounds and to harness the potential of the studio to the fullest. Beatles influenced a whole set of musicians at that time to be ambitious and expand the frontiers of rock in ways that were then unprecedented. However to address your last para, their influence goes well beyond just pop artists (and I am not sure how much, if any, of it I can hear in Michael Jackson whose music was rooted in R&B/funk and much more influenced by Stevie Wonder or EWF). Radiohead were inspired by the format and structure of Happiness is a warm gun in making Paranoid Android. The chorus of Karma Police bears strong resemblances to Sexy Sadie. The interlude of You Give Me All Your Money is like a section of Yes music, maybe something from Starship Trooper. As for Pink Floyd, there are similarities between Something and Brain Damage. The radically different mood and the vocal delivery conceal it, but it's there nevertheless. I could come up with similar instances for Queen, Genesis or Supertramp (especially the last's Hodgson-composed songs) if I racked my brains but I think this illustrates the point enough. In the 70s, American rock music still had a more blues based flavour and I assume Beatles didn't really fit in at that point but there could not have been very many melodic British rock bands from the 70s who could have completed escaped a Beatles influence.
If you agree, then it is counterproductive to question on what grounds am I so sure of why there wouldn't be Rush without LZ. As a major influence, they profoundly shaped Rush's music, down to Lee's Plant-like high pitched vocals up to Hemispheres. In an alternative universe, if there had been no LZ and the same three men had formed a band called Rush, it would sound very different from the Rush we know.
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 21:31 |
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I believe based on numerous interviews with 70-80-90-00-10 artists who cite the Beatles as an influence most of the time, and I said this, is about their song, lyric writing ability...That's what most, not all, artists like about them. I am sure some like their music style and or how they may have designed a certain portion of their catalog, but in general its about how they wrote lyrics.
I am not Beatle bashing, I do not believe in any of my posts I have done that from a serious perspective because as you say they do deserve a lot of credit for how they influenced music. I said this in another post about them influencing probably thousands of bands...I know this to be true.
I really am not concerened as to who they influenced, just as I don't care who Rush influenced....Because as you state music comes from other music.
Where did I state that I did not think Zeppelin influenced Rush? I never said such a thing...I fully agree that Zeppelin was a major influence on Rush as well as The Who were and Cream and The Yardbirds. Again this comment is putting words in my mouth. Please everyone else READ MY LIPS....I do not believe this!
I have no comment, I don't listen to them....I only know the Bridge song
 I have no reason to doubt you here.
I have zero issues talking about music, my issue was stating that my beliefs as otherwise, and how your comments read as though I said something I had not.
Honestly, maybe I don't read the right interviews....but seems that most, most people who cite influence from the Beatles are pop artists and not so much hard rock or newer prog rock artists....Michael Jackson, Kanye West come to mind....So maybe on this site certain people are having a hard time that more prog artists are not mentioning the Beatles as much as maybe we would like them to.
In my mind who they influenced and why is not an issue, they had influence on 1,000's of artists.......It just seems that the influence was not from a portion of prog Beatles rather than mainly the pop Beatles portion. I remember a thread, I think, about when the Rush documentary came out, Beyond A Lighted Stage. I remember reading how people were perturbed that commentary was coming from Jack Black, Sebastian Bach, Zakk Wylde, Vinnie Paul and Taylor Hawkins and them talking about Rush. Certainly not members of prog bands and people on this site had issues with that.
Bottom line is who cares.....they influenced many, and again music comes from music.
Because I don't like the Beatles does not mean I do not think they are due merit....That would be dumb coming from someone like me who has been a music listener of almost every genre (except country) for the past 40yrs.
I find their songs boring, repetitive and vocally I find McCartney unlistenable....Some songs during Wings is better. I grew up during a time when I should have grown up listening to them...but I am part of that miniscule % of population that never got it, I never understood the hype.....I grew up in So Calif in an area where R&B, Funk and Hard Rock, Progressive Rock ruled, I can only guess that the Beatles during that time did not fit those segments....Not even my wife grew up listening to them.
So I guess its easy for me to say I don't hear any Beatles in Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, KC, Nectar, Parliament/Funkadelic, Earth Wind & Fire, Ohio Players or Rainbow.
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NickHall
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 15:47 |
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is this a joke? I admire Rush, but comparing them to the Beatles? Not fair to Rush.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 20 2013 at 08:28 |
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You mentioned the cited influence of Beatles on songwriting and proceeded to claim that their songs have a natural beat which people prefer in popular music. Actually, the influence of the second half of their career originates from, among other things, their willingness to veer from this formula. Hence I asked a valid question: how familiar are you with their post-Rubber Soul albums, to what extent have you analysed them musically? I am not forcing you to, by the way, but I believe pointed comments on musical characteristics should be made on firm ground. You are entitled to dislike Beatles or any other band (something I expressly urged even to other members notwithstanding your insinuation) but it does not entitle you to disdain your influence unless you are prepared to argue your point.
And nothing that I said would suggest that I denied the influence of these artists on Beatles either. Of course, they did and if you had read what I had written earlier, I have myself stated that music only comes into being out of other music: " where prog rock bands were not always the most original and were happy to lean on 60s music or the classical masters for inspiration. I don't deride that because that's how music is made, but credit where it's due, please. " That by itself does not provide you any ground to deny that Zeppelin influenced Rush unless you can demonstrate it. Good luck with that, considering that Lifeson acknowledges the influence of Page and Peart that of Bonham. As for Simon & Garfunkel, it appears a logical question to me because they never went prog in "form" but they possessed vital elements necessary for its development as a genre, so I was curious if you shared a similar perception of them as you do of Beatles. It was a question borne out of curiosity, nothing more. I see that you took it quite badly and I am sorry if anything I said instigated you to because I didn't mean to.
 I only ask that when people explain and elaborate when they claim the influence of a band widely acknowledged as influential is not evident to them, because without that such a discussion is pointless. No point in claiming it's just an opinion, such an opinion was borne out of some thoughts. What were they? Can you not see it would be more interesting to do that and get confrontational and offended over what is ultimately only a discussion on music. Edited by rogerthat - February 20 2013 at 08:30 |
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