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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2008 at 09:57
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

Where the appreciation is concerned: it's very simple for me. I love them and don't mind them being here although I was very surprised a couple of days ago. I followed the discussions about this great band for almost a year now and the conclusion was always: they should not be on progarchives (at least the majority felt this way).
So now they are with us anyway and even though they are great their presence is already tainted because of the majority's opinion (on one of the other threads a poll showed 71% is against). That's a pity and I also have to be honest, my general opinion is to keep the site a bit "clean" (not too many popular bands). So if I were consistent I should ignore them and their albums but truth is I already rated/reviewed all of their albums. Huh ?? I don't get myself anymore. It's hard to be consistent !! Pinch


hahha...  it is damn hard isn't it.

A few points on your post there.  As you probably know additons here are not voted upon. For myself personally...  the numbers mean nothing..  what counts are the comments.  Any kid who thinks SD is Hey Nineteen can vote..  but only those who know something can contribute to a discussion.   The arguments against SD those that were  valid that is...have all been answered or addressed by those who added them.

see... for me.. .it comes down to vision of the site....  you mentioned 71% against.  I have been here too long at this site.. and am doing some realistic figuring here... . you can knock off a third (and probably am being generous at that) of that as people who have NO idea of who the band is other than a name or a few songs.  that makes... yep...  50-50.  So what is more important for this site.. . not offending the hyper-sensitivities of the those who want a clean site or acknowledging the other 50% ..from whom the other 50% might learn something.. if they gave the band a fresh.. or closer listen.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2008 at 09:35
Where the appreciation is concerned: it's very simple for me. I love them and don't mind them being here although I was very surprised a couple of days ago. I followed the discussions about this great band for almost a year now and the conclusion was always: they should not be on progarchives (at least the majority felt this way).
So now they are with us anyway and even though they are great their presence is already tainted because of the majority's opinion (on one of the other threads a poll showed 71% is against). That's a pity and I also have to be honest, my general opinion is to keep the site a bit "clean" (not too many popular bands). So if I were consistent I should ignore them and their albums but truth is I already rated/reviewed all of their albums. Huh ?? I don't get myself anymore. It's hard to be consistent !! Pinch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 11:20

I don't think their country or origin is relevant. There are plently of prog bands from the US, Germany, and indeed the whole of the United Kingdom.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 11:05

Here is a question to those who believe Steely Dan does not belong in the Archives. Would you feel differently if they were from England or perhaps Germany? Question

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 10:53
Hmm, what do you call this then 'Oh, no no no no no, yes"?

I don't want to look like an oxy moron.LOL

Edited by Slartibartfast - August 29 2008 at 10:58
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2008 at 17:11
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

But that's what Slart actually said - it seems that pretty much everyone likes Steely Dan, they just differ on whether or not they could be classified as prog.  He said he hasn't seen someone that hates Steely Dan and (maybe obviously) doesn't want them here on PA.
 
No Natural Science, read the quote carefully:
 
Quote What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.
 

Startibastfast is a master using words and double negations,Wink he's saying  that:

 

1.      Nobody hates them

2.      Nobody totally thinks they don't belong here.

That's why I said I love the band, but I totally feel they don't belong here.

There are two things lawyers learn, to read the fine print and to check double negative statements. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2008 at 15:24
But that's what Slart actually said - it seems that pretty much everyone likes Steely Dan, they just differ on whether or not they could be classified as prog.  He said he hasn't seen someone that hates Steely Dan and (maybe obviously) doesn't want them here on PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2008 at 15:20
I think you're right there Ivan, this is not about whether one likes them or not. Many of those on the nays side have said in various threads that they actually like SD's music a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2008 at 10:36
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree.  What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.
 
Not sure starti, I don't dislike their music at all, as a fact I like it, but I believe without any personal doubt they don't belong here, if I was a judge I would place a restriction order to them to keep a mile away Prog Archives.
 
But again, It's not my call
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:54
Their first two albums are great. I like the other ones up to Gaucho, but they don't strike me as much as Countdown to Ecstasy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 08:11
Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

I can see civil war breaking out here

The "Steely Dan ARE Prog" side VS. The "Steely Dan are NOT Prog" side

It seems the latter side are puriton PA extremists whilst the first lot are willing to keep PA progressive. My prediction


Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree.  What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 26 2008 at 08:11
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:48
I can see civil war breaking out here

The "Steely Dan ARE Prog" side VS. The "Steely Dan are NOT Prog" side

It seems the latter side are puriton PA extremists whilst the first lot are willing to keep PA progressive. My prediction
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:49

"Countdown to extasy" and "Kathy lied" are my fav Steely dan albums. They deserve to be in archives.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:38
Have a love/hate with them.  Royal Scam and Aja are awesome.  Katy Lied is dreadful.  The other early stuff I have is hit and miss to my ears.  I would not have thought they would ever be added but, oh well.  I thought having Zeppelin would wreck PA, which it didn't so I am sure SD will be hot for awhile and then fade into the background like so many other controversial choices.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:19
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

HeartLOL 


not the place for a rant...  but I've made my feelings clear on judging by tags and labels I guess hahhaha.. and not listening to the f**king music and understanding WHERE.. and WHY they were added.  Some may not agree, and I respect that. but at least they might see the logic of it and decide to listen... to more than a greatest hits CD.  Again.. the bio says it all.... you only have to read it.  . 


Kudos to you Micky!

This may seem pretty pedestrian to some but my view is if someone has the artistic sensibilities that enable them to enjoy progressive rock than it only seems logical that they will enjoy the phenomenal music of the Dan to the same degree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:56
HeartLOL 


not the place for a rant...  but I've made my feelings clear on judging by tags and labels I guess hahhaha.. and not listening to the f**king music and understanding WHERE.. and WHY they were added.  Some may not agree, and I respect that. but at least they might see the logic of it and decide to listen... to more than a greatest hits CD.  Again.. the bio says it all.... you only have to read it.  . 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:51
hey, that tune is PROG !    I'd never heard this one, no wonder some of our specialists were so adamant about them..  it's not someone getting their favorite pet band in, it is a band who did Prog easily overshadowed by Yes, Tull and the brief prog/media storm, and is another example of a glorious Progressive Era that opened up a whole new world to rock and popular musicians   ..great Michael, keep that link in your holster


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:39
thinking on Rollie's review last night... he nailed King of the World.. .there is something about that song .. and this visual component to it.. is pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc

you have to forgive the numb-nut for getting the album wrong.. but LOVE the montage with the song.

 "Any man left on the Rio Grande is the King of the World as far as I know" - possibly the best post-nuclear apocalypse movie never made hahhaha..yeah.. he's forgiven... priceless... enjoy SD fans...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:14
^ I don't see the problem with it or your post Eric...  some people agree with it.. some don't.  That is the way 99.9% of additions ALWAYS are.  This isn't the thread for it... but since when has that ever stopped anyone hahahhah. Anyway...  starting my first review this evening.. but was a long day... and probably going to shut the machine from hell off shortly and enjoy a baseball game and a Sam Adams...LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 18:49
Pretty much like I did in the very beginning, perhaps?Wink

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