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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 11:29
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

  nowadays I look at it as a bit puerile. it is like "who can piss the highest?"


which is how most people view your posts.

With your consummate skill on drums and piano and your taste-defining appreciation of music one wonders why you haven't taken the musical world by storm.





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damn.. .that is what they call in some campaigns.. .the straight-talk express LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 05:09
Actually, MikeEnRegalia linked me to their myspace page yesterday. I quite enjoyed what I heardThumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 05:05
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Mattias IA Eklundh is a worthy mention IMO. Incredibly versatile, fantastic tapping technique and other worldly phrasing are just some things to mention about him. Also notable is his strange technique he uses to produce harmonics, leading some people to falsely believe the sound is in fact produced with a Digitech Whammy. As well as his solo stuff, check out the band Freak Kitchen for Eklundh's rather alien playing styleSmile


Mattias Eklundh demonstrating his technique(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq0xvSJojw (hilarious to watch, not only for guitarists!)




 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 03:45
^ Nice video, hilarious too!Thumbs%20Up Always loved his signature 'Apple Horn' Carparision guitar, although being Australia i doubt I'll ever get to try one outCry I first heard of him in a Guitar Techniques magazine issue from June 2005, which he featured in a column by Jamie Humphries, although the track itself featured EKlundh playing on it. I put the accompanying CD with the magazine on, gave it a whirl on his track, and I read the magazine later, and my jaw dropped when I read the part about Eklundh using nothing but his guitar and ampConfused Plus his absolutely unique phrasing impressed me as well. Mind you, in despite the transcription for his track right there in front of me, that was only 3 months after I began on my quest to play virtuoso guitar (and at the time I only had a 21 fret Samick Strat copy with Single coils in all 3 positionsThumbs%20Down), but was severely put off from trying it, as well as the fact he uses the 26th fret for a tapping lick. Now that I've been playing a bit longer, I would have the chops to handle a lot of the stuff in there (minus the 26 fret parts, and the insane harmonic/floyd rose antics). It was refreshing to get back in EKlundh after all this time, thanks for the video link MikeEnRegaliaThumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 02:38
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Mattias IA Eklundh is a worthy mention IMO. Incredibly versatile, fantastic tapping technique and other worldly phrasing are just some things to mention about him. Also notable is his strange technique he uses to produce harmonics, leading some people to falsely believe the sound is in fact produced with a Digitech Whammy. As well as his solo stuff, check out the band Freak Kitchen for Eklundh's rather alien playing styleSmile


Mattias Eklundh demonstrating his technique(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq0xvSJojw (hilarious to watch, not only for guitarists!)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 19:39
Originally posted by akiko akiko wrote:

2 words: Allan Holdsworth
ding ding ding
 
There are heaps of guys who make me think "how the #&$% could i pull that off?", but that's mainly because i'm not a very technically accomplished guitarist Tongue
 
Holdsworth on the other hand just completely boggles my mind when i watch him play. It's not just "how would i play something like that?", it's "how can anybody play something like that?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 17:24
Mattias IA Eklundh is a worthy mention IMO. Incredibly versatile, fantastic tapping technique and other worldly phrasing are just some things to mention about him. Also notable is his strange technique he uses to produce harmonics, leading some people to falsely believe the sound is in fact produced with a Digitech Whammy. As well as his solo stuff, check out the band Freak Kitchen for Eklundh's rather alien playing styleSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 14:09
Originally posted by unclemeat69 unclemeat69 wrote:

what about this guy? Tuck Andress playing Santana's Europe

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=NtljYur4_T8&feature=related


My wife turned me on to Tuck and Patti, not strictly prog but still quite good. Big%20smile

Santana's Europa gets my vote as one of the most beautiful prog songs of all time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 14:08
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

  nowadays I look at it as a bit puerile. it is like "who can piss the highest?"


which is how most people view your posts.

With your consummate skill on drums and piano and your taste-defining appreciation of music one wonders why you haven't taken the musical world by storm.




By the way, which guitarist can piss the highest?

It's probably been mentioned already, but Steve Morse is one of the best when it comes to technique and speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:24
I think John Petrucci can piss pretty damned high Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:22
Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


not necessarily in order :
John McLaughlin...
Joe Pass...
Chet Atkins...

these guys for starters



Ah yes the master finger-picker Chet Atkins and the legend that is Mclaughlin, both are superb. Never heard Joe Pass before, i won't comment. Doyle Dykes is also a phenominal finger-picker.



WHOA...I forgot to add Jean Baptiste "Django" Reinhardt ! ! !
And remember, his left hand was deformed & still played remarkably ! ! !

From WikiPedia:


Many musicians have expressed admiration for Reinhardt, including:
Jimmy McCulloch,
Julian Bream;
Chet Atkins,
Carlos Santana;
B.B. King;
Jerry Garcia;
Tony Iommi;
Jimi Hendrix;
Shawn Lane;
Stevie Ray Vaughan;
Derek Trucks
;
Mark Knopfler;
Les Paul;
Joe Pass;
Peter Frampton
;
Denny Laine;
Jeff Beck;
Jon Larsen;
Steve Howe;
Charlie Christian
;
George Benson;
Wes Montgomery;
Martin Taylor;
Tchavolo Schmitt;
Stochelo Rosenberg;
Biréli Lagrène
;
John Jorgenson;
Michael Angelo Batio
;
Richard Thompson;
Robert Fripp
; and
Jeff Martin.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 09:26
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Most of my favorite guitarists are able to play very fast or even have a reputation for frequently doing so, yet they also play slowly or generally have an eclectic style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QO_Q4l8ynA (Steve Vai, playing slowly)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eouDOsUOM  (Eric Johnson, who normally doesn't play ultra-fast - yet this song is one of the most difficult ones to play because of the speed)
 
Another shredder often overlooked, that i forgot to mention that fortunately MikeEnRegalia picked up on, is Eric Johnson. One of the most memorable moments for me from the G3: Live in Concert DVD from Eric Johnson's setlist,  was not even his fast and furious moments, but an often forgotten trademark of his style that he displayed in SRV: his uncanny ability to hit exactly the right frequency of pinched harmonic that he desires. But of course other components of his style that are unforgettable, like his string skipping licks, and his crazy wide intervallic ideas, and always done in good taste too, IMO. The Austin City Limits version of Cliffs of Dover is brilliant, and some say it even surpasses the studio version ( I have not heard the studio version in about 2 months, so I wont make a judgement on that for the time being.) A tone to die for, excellent sense of phrasing, and a great vibrato.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 09:07
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

  nowadays I look at it as a bit puerile. it is like "who can piss the highest?"


which is how most people view your posts.

With your consummate skill on drums and piano and your taste-defining appreciation of music one wonders why you haven't taken the musical world by storm.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 08:57
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ If that's not the greatest insult you could possibly make to the musicians, then I don't know what is.


BTW: The flaw in your analogy is of course that double bass drumming is not like the salt in a dish. Change it to pepper or chili, and it suddenly makes much more sense. Some people will not eat hot meals at all ... as soon as they taste the chili, they complain about it being too hot. Other might drink Tabasco sauce with delight ... and if you go to India their food is on an entirely different level compared to our Tabasco sauce.

It is meant as an insult, Mike, since they insult my ears. Little boys exercising puberty rites.
As to liking a great bandwith of music: I certainly do; I listen to Gamelan music, classic Indian music, African music, Chinese music - I definitely am not narrow-minded. I even found the odd Prog Metal I like. But as a drummer I find it extremely tasteless to use double bass drum; you will never convince me of it. It is nothing but a gimmick. Gimmicks are ok if they are used with scarcity, which means once or twice over the years. A Micky Mouse voice is a gimmick too. But just as one would not want to listen to a Micky Mouse voice all the time, I detest the permanent use of double bass drumming.


When double bass drum kits came available a lot of impressive rock and jazz drummers bought and used them: Moon, Baker, Hiseman, Mitchell - not a gimmick rather fulfilling a need at that time?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 08:33

Another thing I cannot stress the importance of enough when you listen to a shredding part, stop trying to over analyse each individual note ( I admit i still do that, but i generally do that after i have listened to something before and say, want to analyse the song or learn how to play it, but normally I just listen for the joy of music). Vai, Satch and others, when they play, I doubt they consciously think about every note in a fast run. Instead, I'm sure they see the fast run holistically,  as a complete phrase, which is exactly what I hear and that is because that is what makes sense to the ear. If it didn't communicate something to me, if it really was just a meaningless blur of notes, I wouldn't enjoy it, because music is about expression. And when it come to expression on the guitar, I personally think the hard work and hours the true virtuosos have put in has paid off, their reward being able to express the deepest and most meaningful feelings, and really, as many emotions/feelings as they want to.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 07:54
^ quite true. A good example of what you're describing is Joe Satriani's Satch Boogie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzQb79IhoRE

What I mean is the fast tapping middle section. To some it may just be a flurry mess, but in fact there's a simple underlying melody (played by the tapping finger) which gives meaning to the part. The key is to be able to play the whole section with the focus on that melody, with the additional notes as an "embellishment", sort of like a combination of pedal tone and arpeggio.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 07:21
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Most of my favorite guitarists are able to play very fast or even have a reputation for frequently doing so, yet they also play slowly or generally have an eclectic style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QO_Q4l8ynA (Steve Vai, playing slowly)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eouDOsUOM  (Eric Johnson, who normally doesn't play ultra-fast - yet this song is one of the most difficult ones to play because of the speed)
 
Steve Vai playing slow? Not only can he play at blistering pace, I think Vai, Satch and Buckethead, to name just a few show just how their range of technique can let them play with just as much emotion slow as they fast. This is where having so much technique can come into play. Say we have David Gilmour, great player, well known for writing memorable melodic solos you can sing, soulful, and understandably, a hero to many. But what happens if he wants to express something more complex with the guitar? He wont be able too. Not only can Satch, Vai, Buckethead (again, to name a few), play slow, controlled and with soul, they can play fast, controlled and with soul. The emotions that come from a passionate fast flurry of notes, has a totally different feeling/emotion or set of emotions/feelings, than playing slowly does. Sometimes, though hard to believe from some, but I'm sure MikeEnRegalia will understand what I'm talking about, it's the fastest note flurries in a song that can be what brings me to tears and takes me somewhere else beautiful. It took me a while to get to this stage, but once you start becoming a shred guitarist yourself, you open up your ears to the sheer beauty and passion of playing fast.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 07:12
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

@Angelo: Yes you're right, it makes no sense to continue the discussion on that level ... it's off topic anyway.

@BaldFriede: I'm not trying to convince you of double bass drumming or any other technique you don't like. I'm merely digusted by your hateful and insulting attitude towards the musicians and their fans. Please remember that they're not responsible for what happened to you. And FYI: I don't think that open-mindedness is defined by how many different styles we enjoy ... it's defined by how we deal with the styles we don't like.

I am not hateful towards the musicians, I just can't take them seriously if they repeat a gimmick over and over again. And I am definitely not hateful towards their fans. I may wonder about their taste, but I am pretty sure people wonder about mine too.
But I agree: The discussion is fruitless, so I will refrain from it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 06:45
@Angelo: Yes you're right, it makes no sense to continue the discussion on that level ... it's off topic anyway.

@BaldFriede: I'm not trying to convince you of double bass drumming or any other technique you don't like. I'm merely irritated by your hateful and insulting attitude towards the musicians and their fans. Please remember that they're not responsible for what happened to you. And FYI: I don't think that open-mindedness is defined by how many different styles we enjoy ... it's defined by how we deal with the styles we don't like.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2008 at 06:38
Friede. Mike - as valuable as your opinions are, please keep the discussion civilized. 'Little boys' read this forum as well. There's always the choice of not having your ears insulted by simply pressing the stop button. Thanks.

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