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The T 
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 Posted: November 21 2013 at 13:27 |
I've never known (like with so many political issues  where I stand with fillibustering. Yes, it might prevent legislative abuse but isn't it also abuse that a party that has a majority and thus IN THEORY some legitimacy can't do anything to further their agenda?
Fillibustering seems to be very US-only, unless I'm incorrect.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 21 2013 at 12:43 |
Wow, this game happens every time, flipping parties, but finally one side said screw this and actually did it
This very short lived move will of course backfire, when (whenever the time comes) Republicans take control again...
You are giving your opponent, eventually, the same liberty you granted yourself of more power, so it was kinda like mutally assured destruction..no one could really make the move first knowing it'd doome them but the Democrats did it. 
Edited by JJLehto - November 21 2013 at 12:45
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:40 |
 The T wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
The whole ACA website thing really isn't a huge deal IMO to the bill itself, but it is a HUGE embarassment. |
Try telling that to the people that genuinely need help and find only the worst website ever. |
Absolutely. This is Obama's one claim to fame, the pinnacle of his Presidency and look at this mess...not to mention the real issues you just brought up.
I still remember how close we were to the public option and probably thus reaching a true universal health system. Instead we got this coroporate mess of a bill with no aims, no real direction and faulty website.
Total embarassment, and kind of the perfect image of how screwed up the US can be.
The T wrote:
The US needs a multi-party system. Not that it will fix anything but at least more diverse opinions will be heard. Alas, the ones who need to change the rules are the two that rule the system hence no chance in hell. |
Quite right all around.
Edited by JJLehto - November 19 2013 at 14:41
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The T
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:39 |
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The US needs a multi-party system. Not that it will fix anything but at least more diverse opinions will be heard. Alas, the ones who need to change the rules are the two that rule the system hence no chance in hell.
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The T
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:38 |
JJLehto wrote:
The whole ACA website thing really isn't a huge deal IMO to the bill itself, but it is a HUGE embarassment. |
Try telling that to the people that genuinely need help and find only the worst website ever.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:37 |
Dont get me wrong, we'll see what Christie does when he goes big time.
Like I said in one of my ramblings, hopefully he'll stick to the moderate image he's built, "lets just get sh*t done" attitude and if the GOP is any smart they'll embrace it and drop the whole bible belt 1920s moral conservative stuff no one really cares about anymore.
Buuuuuuuut this is politics, supreme chance neither of those will happen lol
Edited by JJLehto - November 19 2013 at 14:37
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:33 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Now...if only we could get rid of the Republicans.
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Wouldn't be such an awful thing in theory (like how I've often said if Texas really wants to leave the US I'd say "go for it!") I reckon one party rule would be awful.
I mean, we already have one party rule basically, but at least the show they put on brings SOME trace amount of power to us.
Besides I hate Democrats too so I can't say I'd love only them around.
I still love how so many...liberals or sometimes "liberals" in the US continue to support the corporatist party, erm Democratic party. It's been nothing but a puppet to all the people they hate, and I know it's often claimed "well yeah they suck but at least they care a tiny but of us" but all I hear is Obama and Dems trying to balance the budget, during a weak economic period, often agreeing to cut various social spending.
Plus ACA which is fairly junk, and may achieve some positive results but after much mess, pain and big business profit...and their wall street reform bill is a joke.
Where was I? Oh yeah the Democrats, great bunch of 99% friendly liberal guys But alas, you didnt read any of that. GOP is the only evil, dont even think about anything else, just hate those Republicans
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:27 |
The whole ACA website thing really isn't a huge deal IMO to the bill itself, but it is a HUGE embarassment.
Edited by JJLehto - November 19 2013 at 14:34
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*frinspar*
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Posted: November 19 2013 at 03:10 |
Blacksword wrote:
I guess if such a project is funded with taxpayer money they're going to try and get away with spending as little as they can. |
We'd all like to hope so from any of our governments, but they projected a $90 million cost originally, and spent 3 years putting together the mess we now have at a current cost nearly 5 times the estimate, and growing. And it works about as well as a hammer made of cottage cheese. There have been victories for, from and under Obama, but I refuse to defend anything about the ACA. The problem also extends much further than just a garbage website. The law is highly flawed as it was passed and the realization of such an ambitious idea is proving to be something that is not likely to reach any of its goals. If it doesn't, things get even uglier around this joint.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:36 |
The T wrote:
I'm not sure if you have ever tried (probably you don't need it, you are have the luck of wasting time in a prog forum after all  ) but I have used the Healthcare.gov website trying to apply for a family member. It is actually beyond atrocious. I can't believe they can't design a proper website in this day and age with all the resources they have, when any random ridiculous store has one that doesn't crash and is intuitive enough. I still have hopes for a change in health care but this website is really not the best start I've ever seen. |
Don't know how it is in the US, but in the UK the government has a terrible reputation for cutting corners and costs with IT projects. In the private sector new systems are usually not rolled out until proper testing has been completed in a test environment, and a user acceptance test signed off to confirm the system meets the requirements.
I guess if such a project is funded with taxpayer money they're going to try and get away with spending as little as they can.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 16 2013 at 09:03 |
It's all about who is well connected making money. Alright, I was wrong to dismiss discussing politicts with your guise, budda...
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 16 2013 at 09:06
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: November 16 2013 at 03:39 |
timothy leary wrote:
Oh you'll pay and at the end of the day Americans will elect another liar to replace the previous one. |
That's the name of the game when you play with Corporate America. Corporate America has gotten us involved in wars that we should not be concerned about(i.e, Iraq and Afghanistan) 
Oh how the founding fathers would be ashamed
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - November 17 2013 at 04:53
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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The T
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 14:40 |
I'm not sure if you have ever tried (probably you don't need it, you are have the luck of wasting time in a prog forum after all ) but I have used the Healthcare.gov website trying to apply for a family member. It is actually beyond atrocious. I can't believe they can't design a proper website in this day and age with all the resources they have, when any random ridiculous store has one that doesn't crash and is intuitive enough.
I still have hopes for a change in health care but this website is really not the best start I've ever seen.
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The T
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:52 |
^I know
At least let's hope it's not this particular liar.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 12:27 |
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Oh you'll pay and at the end of the day Americans will elect another liar to replace the previous one.
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The T
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 12:23 |
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^I'm not willing to pay for his weight-loss program though...
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 11:52 |
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To lose weight^
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 14 2013 at 11:41 |
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^^^Whaaa? Why did he run then?
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 16 2013 at 09:06
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 20:43 |
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^^^ yeah I kinda like Christie myself, he doesn't seem to care about keeping his job, which is great and great politics
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 18:53 |
Now...if only we could get rid of the Republicans.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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