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BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST A band you can always bank on, Barclay James Harvest are the next featured artist as we Once Again delve into the history of Barclay James Harvest and Other Short Stories. They're one of the few bands who've maintained the same core line-up over the years, consisting of John Lees (guitar), Les Holroyd (bass), Woolly Wolstenholme (keyboards) and Mel Pritchard (drums). Who can forget the cute picture of Baby James Harvest poking his head out of a plant pot on their fourth album cover. Here at ProgArchives, Everyone is Everybody Else in the vast progosphere, where the classic albums of BJH appear like Time Honoured Ghosts. The eighth month of the year was October On the ancient Roman calendar, making it the perfect name for the eighth Barclay James Harvest album. The band took a short break, but weren't Gone to Earth for long before returning with their best-selling album of all time in 1977. In the XII Kingdoms of Prog, Barclay James Harvest reigned supreme and the Eyes of the Universe were upon them again in 1982 for their Concert for the People in Berlin. This landmark gig for BJH preceded a Turn of the Tide in the Cold War when a Ring of Changes were on the way and the old Soviet leaders became Victims of Circumstance, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. For a brief moment in history, the world became a safer place with no more Face to Face Cold War confrontations between East and West with the ever-present threat of nuclear Armageddon hanging over the world. History didn't end in 1991 though, and in the prophetic words of Messrs Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Welcome to the Show that never ends, because there were new threats on the way in a new century. Caught in the Light of a beautifully clear morning on 11th September 2001, an airliner flew perilously low over New York City..... The River of Dreams would soon be shattered forever. 1970: Barclay James Harvest - Their First Album - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nFSIfNxs6gIBOTbbIPO1JWh2mwEyVbAIU 1971: Barclay James Harvest - Once Again - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n5o7PlPBG160N9cL12Ofp3nheud8OXi9U 1971: Barclay James Harvest & Other Short Stories - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l7sqXxBX6jnIktjJObqPD6GFPPdJZrUn0 1972: Barclay James Harvest - Baby James Harvest - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k8dD4x9nW6_Ju8k4fWqoEflWLUgTZaswA 1974: Barclay James Harvest - Everyone is Everybody Else - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mCjiub0x7T8niJz1AsTxasRH4HNRqXRdk 1974: Barclay James Harvest - Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyrBzeN9N2cOnVYVoGdMmc3uBfrU6iPtI 1975: Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leiWJFRrHO1N9EVkZilqdkKpJ9MHhMQ3Q 1976: Barclay James Harvest - Octoberon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nPjOR-QOirPDTZO7deXpta4B3zmZmmGe8 1977: Barclay James Harvest - Gone to Earth - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lVED_Dbce_ZX9KdJ_t-r0Ck_3EYCSpQvg 1978: Barclay James Harvest - XII - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjGHXsSVu3dnqxeFw9V5pflmi9gwOo8L8 1978: Barclay James Harvest - Live Tapes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mys9jREEuWQYXMdv75TEAcykqSq-9apWg 1979: Barclay James Harvest - Eyes of the Universe - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mkQCE_CS4KRfbDHZN3InfqMcF3h0k1k8U 1981: Barclay James Harvest - Turn of the Tide - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmCu7zmMp0bEPRj4DwppY3kkM38oUolew 1982: Barclay James Harvest - Berlin: A Concert for the People - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kio5pd2F0ddkxjfb0IjzzMM-OtL2i_Kmo 1983: Barclay James Harvest - Ring of Changes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kDSFg2np6VvahTK2tyX6EENdRzRUtsbIQ 1984: Barclay James Harvest - Victims of Circumstance - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mydkINhzpKx30cXSe9ymCQi2R-dMHEx4A 1987: Barclay James Harvest - Face to Face - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k4yyyyQm_lQ0CR79Fh3kxRLiWTLtsGesE 1988: Barclay James Harvest - Glasnost - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5ZJHkxU4l6Ht-vlboWhZKe_mNBbZI6hI 1990: Barclay James Harvest - Welcome to the Show - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nLlpK2fvl859Ilx9ORrPKfdYRJ_A517tc 1993: Barclay James Harvest - Caught in the Light - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_neYhLxswZR-65axpRUWF1wASUtQRbVQjo 1997: Barclay James Harvest - River of Dreams - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVPGzOHIIgz-bPr5ZullgVQtREMChQBMb 2004: Barclay James Harvest - Live: The Ultimate Anthology - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5FjwTyqIHY&t=11s 1977: John Lees - A Major Fancy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mf10db81zfqA0_y7f4CjUixhdbmPu2qb4 1999: Barclay James Harvest Through the Eyes of John Lees - Nexus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAmeC36vZPFOmBhQGLzhmJFFW6IAsyy9k 2013: John Lees' Barclay James Harvest - North - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFI67BUyEvgaqyFaLV188CMEwdsjqADM0 2018: John Lees' Barclay James Harvest - The 50th Anniversary Concert - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kX5HmaMi2fod1CFg0J4rBEOiMk9UCcBAE 2002: Barclay James Harvest featuring Les Holroyd - Revolution Days - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqa4bZva1FI 2006: Barclay James Harvest featuring Les Holroyd - Classic Meets Rock - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbsg_xAdIkaz_ORiSusXDnGeVRFf8Lq2I 2016: Barclay James Harvest featuring Les Holroyd - Retrospective - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mUMRNPrux1WA682Ki6n_mYk2tXs8eOPgk 2009: Woolly Wolstenholme & Maestoso - Uneasy Listening - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mS--foGRmQujWGvy2tpkDMUIjX9F_xwhQ |
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Talking of RIO, my favourite Brazilian band are Bacamarte, and they really are from Rio de Janeiro. |
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Art Zoyd is for me the greatest of the RIO bands this side of de Janeiro (or the other side, whatever). Area likely would be my second "Prog" pick. |
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One of my biggest musical regrets is having given away the "666" CD album to a charity shop back in the 1990's. A constant source of Rain and Tears. |
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I'm not familiar with Art Zoyd at all. My second choice of "A" band after Aphrodite's Child would've been Ayreon.
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If I were to choose just one "A" band in PA's Prog categories that has been extremely significant to me over the past 20 years, then it would be Art Zoyd.
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666 is definitely for me what progressive rock was all about and one of the first double albums to come out from the genre even before Tales From Topographic Oceans and Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. It was recorded in 1971 but the record company initially refused to release it because it was just too 'out there'. No doubt this album was a big reason that Vangelis got the audition for Yes to replace Rick Wakeman. Essentially it's a 3 sided concept album but Vangelis went in a truly unique direction with the 4th side by sampling the album and creating a nearly side long epic All The Seats Were Occcupied. True genius!
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I think you'll find PA already provides this functionality.
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APHRODITE'S CHILD Come with me to the End of the World as we meet the three kings of Greek Prog. Namely, singer Demis Roussos (1946-2015), drummer Lucas Sideras (born 1944), and keyboard legend Evangelos Odysseas Papathanassiou (1943-2022), better-known to us all simply as Vangelis, and collectively-known as Aphrodite's Child. The "king of the kaftan" Demis Roussos was the most unlikely-looking sex symbol, with his portly frame usually dressed in multi- coloured bell-tent kaftans. His solo career after Aphrodite's Child was even more successful, guaranteeing that he'll be remembered forever and ever. The drummer Lucas Sideras may be largely forgotten now, but he did release a solo album and he was something of a sex cymbal in his time too. Vangelis of course needs no introduction from me, other than to say he's one of the greatest keyboard players who's ever lived! Aphrodite's Child have the singular distinction of being the only Symphonic Prog band ever to emerge from the Peloponnesian peninsula of Greece. Aphrodite was the Greek goddess of love and beauty and there's plenty to love in the beautiful music of Aphrodite's Child. Their first of three acclaimed albums features such evergreen classics as "End of the World" and the lovelorn "Rain and Tears" with their follow-up album including the heart-rending title track, "It's Five o'Clock", and the plaintive cry of "Marie Jolie". It's their third and final epic though, "666" (the number of the beast) which proved to be a Revelation, where hellfire and damnation were spurned to enable its release. "666" is a double album and musical tour-de-force which is generally the most highly- regarded Aphrodite's Child album amongst prog fans. As well as including the aptly-titled "Break" - sadly recorded just before the band broke up - the album also features the unforgettable "Infinity" with Irene Papas, which - depending on your point of view - either sounds like a wailing banshee, or a five minute orgasm! 1968: Aphrodite's Child - End of the World - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9EAiJXXtc-ZA1H9DVKPK0Ki4DUcp66pw 1969: Aphrodite's Child - It's Five O'Clock - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9EAiJXXtc-by1atAfLy1nurHtHLo_Lq4 1972: Aphrodite's Child - 666 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9EAiJXXtc-bdbxNvRZCRs402jnbC_bxw 1971: Demis Roussos - Fire and Ice - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6qHBVOnVic1hLFjaIp74vGe 1973: Demis Roussos - Forever and Ever - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi1oulkTBOaqTTydykb4jwsxH8nySKFa7 1974: Demis Roussos - My Only Fascination - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6p75YTaIRlEy8ki9krwTwX_ 1975: Demis Roussos - Souvenirs - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6p6PI1eEn47LLvaAhCvX7Lz 1976: Demis Roussos - Happy to Be - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6p494WUrbh_DLqxKVFJURJH 1977: Demis Roussos - The Demis Roussos Magic - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6q1fV-vU-rcWXeKf_w2JZyU 1978: Demis Roussos - Demis Roussos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ctBM_VfdvM 1979: Demis Roussos - Universum - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu0llB-WEvOWZQKpsEyITA5EtHyBK23Cq 1980: Demis Roussos - Man of the World - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKlbTXjy-F6p37hOI0ulnblsaL6rnfglu 1982: Demis Roussos - Demis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Ftws2nzyE 1982: Demis Roussos - Attitudes - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nzLaV797DIRwdlrkLB5M4MnFrz_7zmbaI 1984: Demis Roussos - Reflection - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKamTmTvJX9RCgH2tCYABy5ocro87-Esg 1985: Demis Roussos - Senza Tempo - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi1oulkTBOaofC1CuZEqs9Cj0dFsaIDZF 1986: Demis Roussos - Greater Love - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcTNYO1BnnY30UGu-EGO3ZfLJ2MFaiQEI 1987: Demis Roussos - Come All Ye Faithful - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZ8KINTqJE 1988: Demis Roussos - Le Grec - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi1oulkTBOapIaDBgcDc6DTUz_0iA7saj 1988: Demis Roussos - Time - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi1oulkTBOapoZ27tzI28G8_TntU7Zm2D 1989: Demis Roussos - Voice and Vision - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi1oulkTBOapNUExqEL0V_9pZx6LJ8iRW 1993: Demis Roussos - Insight - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m9zJ0HGbrbFmEvmiuKwLmDumKKIb0-0Oo 1995: Demis Roussos - In Holland - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOrRUqjem6Rk8NSma40nMjsonwJBt2XuU 1995: Demis Roussos - Immortel - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2PXMi9qiwinWfDKUPYgAeTgVt5AfUHTY 1996: Demis Roussos - Serenade - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npWUz7A3FUV6kkaCOR7_4BnV0RpOtCy10 2009: Demis Roussos - Demis - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDtVRd8JvLC2io4qBAX-GZA5Yomc0wmER 1972: Lucas Sideras - One Day - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaDdMte-FI 1970: Vangelis - Sex Power (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsAfOXXOBIe43VM6wjJaUq9 1972: Vangelis - Fais Que Ton Reve Sot Plus Lang Que La Nuit - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvM65riv3cSklLozwF98q9B 1973: Vangelis - Earth - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvOzByY95dO7rxQdtLx7eAR 1973: Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsDSG9vZVaxnYUenfX1VybR 1975: Vangelis - Ignacio (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvH6u3jSD2TBvTuqjWCvICG 1975: Vangelis - Heaven and Hell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvX8giR4W5NZxZa1iIO9Dh0 1976: Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kM4VpG8PyHa4qL0O1_A6cwposk2DY7Sns 1976: Vangelis - La Fete Sauvage (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lue3CBD9P_z51SBD4m0I8G1 1977: Vangelis - Spiral - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lscjja8ITDZCTt1OoMHVCWZ 1978: Vangelis - Beaubourg - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRwBe_okiYwjldhJgaiVHd 1978: Vangelis - The Dragon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuBzmQV6t6xmmC5TQEjmA-N 1978: Vangelis - Hypothesis - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuxeFgoVPqb4WovY-FyAus0 1979: Vangelis - China - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtOlmMrweTFXY83aoK0t5Cf 1979: Vangels & Irene Papas - Odes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZGrEgv8wIdQqvBo74QqW2 1979: Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtMKYn-VowMSeB2Bwzb0Mf3 1980: Vangelis - See You Later - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtRFqfIkSF_xiyjoC_3SkZw 1981: Vangelis - Chariots of Fire (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsjS0L1K0ZG6sOkFp6PSGOh 1983: Vangelis - Antarctica (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvJ40Hgh2LDAQq3VXE8NFA4 1984: Vangelis - Soil Festivities - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtJ2o9G9p6syNH2niHl7e1o 1985: Vangelis - Mask - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu3C7fzaVeUP5klZnJ-FmWO 1985: Vangelis - Invisible Connections - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuVsO01TfQuxjrRwETu9i3X 1986: Vangelis & Irene Papas - Rapsodies - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuXW5zSOIja28Ew_so8i8Yk 1988: Vangelis - Direct - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuFKTL6b3fnQ1YqFePC1Fa1 1989: Vangelis - Themes - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvZW7c54RSD12QMwalJjA8b 1990: Vangelis - The City - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvgvHlWMKVpnJQEFa3vqvoA 1992: Vangelis - 1492: Conquest of Paradise (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt0SV_QdtY9lGAQk-S0U-Jv 1994: Vangelis - Blade Runner (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtQhpcQMdGQDWqy9DQGc9NH 1995: Vangelis - Voices - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsGCnp6pGNgs15FgG5jHTby 1996: Vangelis - Oceanic - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvTgtl12NuJTznSF1_ogxT7 1998: Vangelis - El Greco - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt57VhNUuJtsGkarEKlLooX 2001: Vangelis - Mythodea - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu2CuTK6uTZjbv_tMztNiMm 2004: Vangelis - Alexander (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvSVZ5NoR9K6OUXjZ9WN8WX 2007: Vangelis - El Greco (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtANfnU8_VNruOZgBZ69G4F 2015: Vangelis - Amore (soundtrack: recorded in 1973) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtZ2YsnW0mlAonlDkwdCIvC 2016: Vangelis - Rosetta - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsCBcxwkPZx3e4ZLCrjdLRO 2019: Vangelis - Nocturne: The Piano Album - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsRw0Exq3REueHzZcFD5CJ9 2020: Vangelis - Juno to Jupiter - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvDJEVl17L75jbyhwSeWGk7 1980: Jon & Vangelis - Short Stories - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LuvQaVWvwnrLN-9FH9_SW-m 1981: Jon & Vangelis - The Friends of Mr Cairo - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtJ1t-8bDOqVC7b9G1wDNFQ 1983: Jon & Vangelis - Private Collection - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtfSUU5PVNLFguKdQGK4O85 1991: Jon & Vangelis - Page of Life - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsMWC3ykf69E6RKnzMM6b5A 1994: Jon & Vangelis - Chronicles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q8Lm1wdVRo |
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The ultimate repository for total A-Z listings of major league prog bands from around the world with all related solo and group albums included.
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APHRODITE'S CHILD ANYONE'S DAUGHTER ANTONIUS REX BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST BLUE OYSTER CULT BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO CURVED AIR CHICAGO DEAD CAN DANCE DEEP PURPLE DEVIL DOLL EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER ELOY EZRA WINSTON FOCUS THE FLOWER KINGS FORMULA 3 GENESIS GONG GOBLIN HAWKWIND JIMI HENDRIX PINK FLOYD PROCOL HARUM PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI TRAFFIC TRIUMVIRAT THE TRIP URIAH HEEP UNITOPIA VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR VANILLA FUDGE WALLENSTEIN WHITE WILLOW XHOL CARAVAN XII ALFONSO YES YEZDA URFA FRANK ZAPPA ZOMBY WOOF
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