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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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At some point a German newspaper published some of the notes of notorious contemporary avantgarde music composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (not quite as contemporary anymore ![]() ![]() Here's some African Can stuff, to make the connection to the thread. Out of competition of course. Excellent underrated album in my view, where they teamed up with Ex-Traffic African rhythm force Rosko Gee and Rebop Kwaku Baah. Edited by Lewian - October 30 2020 at 18:19 |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Here are initial thoughts on Lorenzo's offerings and Lewian's alternate:
Lorenzo Mau Mau “Ellis Island” Upbeat horns and percussion starts this one
out. Spirited male vocalist, I can
certainly also hear the Mediterranean and Latin influences here. It’s upbeat, but it seems that it is about
the experience that immigrants have at Ellis Island in the US, which is not
always positive. Lots of rangy swirls of
sound, the horns have a really different-sounding kind of lead that they create
a bit past the middle. “Basura” Here we have some sort of concertina or
accordion sounds in the beginning. They go
into a bit of a rap from time to time. Another
strident piece, very danceable, as the first would also be. Really a different sound than most that we’ve
been hearing from….as usual, the Italian take creates it’s own special
viewpoint. Lewian: Kalifa Kone “Funky” Here we have an I am not sure what it is that starts the piece (is it a kora, or guitar or what?), then some funky organ glisses come along and some horns. Really intriguing, I’m glad you added this one, too, esp since Rokia is out of competition.. Cool! |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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My nominations:
Mau Mau is an Italian band from Turin, formed in 1990 by Luca Morino (vocals and guitar), Fabio Barovero (accordion) and Cameroonian Tatè Nsongan (Djembe). Born from the ashes of the underground cult group Loschi Dezi, the band draws its influences from world music, especially Mediterranean, African, Arabic and Latin traditions. They mainly sing in native Piedmontese. The band's name has a double meaning: it references the Kenyan Mau Mau uprising against British colonial rule,and in Piedmontese, Mau Mau designates "people who come from afar". 1) Mau Mau: Ellis Island 2) Mau Mau: Basura |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Just so everyone knows, I haven't heard the songs yet. I will wait until the final nominations have been decided. But I see there are already a lot of songs being posted which is good :)
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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As Rokia Traore was out of competition (sorry Nicky! Comment was much appreciated) I have another suggestion to make. Kalifa Kone - this amazing multiinstrumentalist apparently lives half in Africa and half in Italy and plays a lot here. Together with an Italian musician (whose name I unfortunately forgot as they didn't have anything published together and neither could I find anything of the two together on the web) he played one of the three little gigs (the best!) that I managed to see in summer in the time window when we actually had concerts. I actually didn't know them before but checked out some of his stuff to decide whether I should go. They were just wonderful, and I bought Kalifa's Luna album, which is largely very good as well. surely his band on the album grooves. Here's "Funky". Edited by Lewian - October 29 2020 at 16:40 |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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A bit from Page Two (Logan) and a couple of additions from George, first impressions.
Logan: Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans "Glenon Ho Akue" Very city-scape feeling to me, here. Lots of
horns, percussion and male voices over all, with a dissonance to all. Fela Kuti “Unknown Soldier” Begins with some fingersnaps, brush sounds, then
adds piano keeping to that beat and electric guitar, handclaps and more electric
guitar, holding yet to that beat. Adds
some shaker sound and male voice intoning, cowbell! Singer and female chorus come on full, very
hypnotic piece, with political/social commentary. Horn section comes in about 5 minutes in,
with more cowbell and scatting from Fela, all keeping with the continuing hypnotic
rhythms and the return of the horns, about halfway. Lots more political/social
commentary with some magic thrown in.
The singing intensifies, and some piano comes in, improvising, it sounds
like, along with the horns again and the shaker instruments (and the guitar lines
have never really stopped underneath). Horns
come in with flourishes and interplay with piano for a bit near the end, then
it abruptly halts. Had to hear it
all. 😊 George: Tribe After Tribe “White Boys in the Jungle” Definitely in rock-land here. Heavy guitar riffs, steady beat and and an
alt-rock vocal. Made me curious about
what lead guy would do with space rock setting.
Kronos Quartet “Escalay
– Waterwheel” Very different than your
other Kronos Quartet piece…I love the deep sound at the beginning (not sure if
it’s actually oud or not), beautiful with the understated oriental orchestra
feel to this, as the various other instruments kick in, great tension build and
gets into some plucky back and forth between the percussive and string
elements. Lovely and my favourite of
yours here. |
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![]() I'm glad you enjoyed that, they also do more Celtic pieces together, I really love the live versions, because they both are obviously having so much fun.
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This video of Finch and Keita playing together is quite enjoyable: it is nice to see them produce that rich sound palette with kora and harp alone, those intertwining melodies and rhythms... I understand better why I could suspect an acoustic guitar on his solo piece, but now I see how versatile the kora is as instrument (or how versatile he is playing it). Thanks! |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Very nice to read your thoughts, suitkees, and compare with how I heard the pieces. For those who haven't been around as long, we do not expect breakdowns this detailed, although a couple of us do them, it is not a requisite!
On the solo piece by Seckou, there are no other artist credits, I am not, sure, he is listed as "primary artist," of course this does not mean there wasn't overlaying of tracks to achieve sound....it undoubtedly is on the choral vocals here. It's on the remarkable recording "22 Strings," which is how I discovered him. He has a wonderful collaboration with Catrin Finch (a harpist, I know you're not that fond of it as a solo instrument), I will post here, but out of competition, these are longer and include improvisations. They are a joy to watch. With the Johnny Clegg piece, the African "hmmmm hmmmm ho hmmmms," always made me think of the Ents (and well before the films were made), which always gave me a chuckle. Seckou & Catrin:
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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My impressions after a runthrough of the playlist: The Anders: Kokoko! (the French guy is Xavier Thomas, aka Débruit) are creating an interesting blend of captivating music out of their selfmade instruments and with the electronics. Great choice! Prefer them over the tractor, which remains a bit low in the mix...
Meltdowner: Wow, that's electrifying! Like that rolling bass rhythm underneath it. This one is captivating too, although in the long end the jam-feel is maybe lingering on a bit too much. Must be great to see and hear this live though. (YT proposed Arabia from the same album, which was a good listen too...) Mathman: Yes, this poll will deliver us some great rhythm sections, percussionists and drummers. Stewart Copeland is one of them. Great playing, but the song leaves me a bit underwhelmed - it sounds a bit too standard to me - until that fantastic final kicks in! Another great drummer with Ginger Baker and I find his African Force much more captivating, from the beginning till the end, also thanks to the electric guitar and the soundscapy things and more so when the sax sets in. Great rhythmic interplay between the percussion and the drums. Wonderful track! Tribe After Tribe are not my cup of tea, a bit too ridicule (both the clip and the music). Kronos Quartet on the other hand cannot do much wrong with me, mainly because of their interpretations of contemporary music. With this one we find Hamza el Din again and I prefer this one over the song proposed by BrufordFreak. Easy Money: King Sunny Adé gives us an intriguing mix of styles with the african rhythms, some reggae, hawaian, steel... and electronic sound effects. Intriguing, but not entirely my blend. The Dark Elf: Ali Farka Touré was one of those great African musicians breaking through in the west. Savane is a nice trailing piece in which we hear his wonderful playing. It wouldn't be my first choice though. Ladysmith Black Mombazo are another exemple of African greatness, here with a typical Paul Simon written/inspired song. A very pleasant listen. Miriam Makeba gives us the blues here with Hugh Masekela. This is my favourite if she wasn't talking through it (here is another live version...). Very powerful song. BrufordFreak: Samite's Night Stories are enchanting. Very ambient, which normally would not be my thing, but Samite's kalimba(?) and the vocals make something very beautiful of this song. Hamza El Din is proposing another intriguing piece: he makes the mixing of different rhythms (percussion, hand claps...) sounds so easy. Very nice, but I prefer Samite. Lewian: Tony Allen & Hugh Masekela (him again!) deliver us a wonderful homage to the great Fela Kuti. Who better than Tony Allen could do this? A perfect blend and a nice homage to Tony Allen to put it up here - another one of those great African musicians! Dissidenten deliver a very upbeat Fata Morgana. It has something captivating, but it is a bit too straightforward for me to be a real contender. Rokia Traore is one of these great voices; this song is nice but she has done better than this I think. dwill123: And another great artist, Manu Dibango! (and another one who passed away this year...) Although Soul Makossa wouldn't by my choice of his, it remains a great listen. TCat: Sonia Dada is a very nice surprise. This song has some Paul Simon's Graceland flavor over it but stands on its own as a soulful beautiful original song. Rentstrike by the Groove Collective is very groovy indeed. A nice match these two songs, but I prefer Sonia Dada. Talking Heads are in a league of their own (I didn't dare to put up some TH, but instead I offered Angélique Kidjo's cover...); always fantastic, but they would be out of competition for me. Karl Jenkins is nice to hear but lacks the originality of the other songs, and I find Paul Winter's song a bit underwhelming too. Snicolette: I'm really impressed by Seckou Keita's song: it is beautiful. Is this only a kora we hear or is there a subtle interplay with an acoustic guitar? Very great singing too, which makes this a captivating song! I actually prefer this one over his collaboration pieces, despite their richer instrumentation: nice too, but less surprising. It's been a while that I've heard this song of Johnny Clegg; yes, very 80s and very festive, but not what I prefer (not then, not now). Cristi: Tinariwen has some nice guitar playing over more traditional percussion and bass sounds. A kind of Tunisian americana... very nice! Logan: With Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans we're travelling back in time a bit with a kind of African funky pop. Nice to hear, but not entirely my thing. Fela Kuti's Unknown Soldier on the contrary is for me an all time classic, poignant piece of music (in its two parts!). |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6820 |
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For tune #3:
Tribe After Tribe - White Boys in the Jungle Unless Cristi posts his prog metal meets Tunisian folk, this may be the hardest rocking song in this poll. Originally from Johannesburg, they relocated to L.A. Songs incorporate 'tribal' rhythms with socio-political lyrics. One of my favorite alt rock bands from the 90's. Lead singer/songwriter/guitarist Robbi Robb is on PA with his current psyche/space rock band 3rd Ear Experience (also excellent). And bonus tune #4 from a group I've had in a previous interactive poll: Krono Quartet - Escalay "Waterwheel" Also from the 90's, this was written by Egyptian composer Hamza El Din, originally done in the 70's. He did the arrangement for Kronos. The album Pieces of Africa features compositions by seven African composers.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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LOL, Mike! I love buzz-snorks in particular....they add such depth, especially when played fortissimo!
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What is music without a few plinkies and whirlies? I also like to hear a little bit of the squeamies and buzz-snorks thrown in from time to time, but only when they are fortissimo! Who need technical terms? Music is the universal language! Thanks again so much for your comments! |
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Jasper van 't Hof is world famous in the Netherlands, and I had the pleasure too to see him once with his Pili Pili band at that time. I don't know much about most of his other collaborations (he did many...), but in that same period he had an interesting album with Golden Earring drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk under the name Labyrinth (with the brilliant Dutch vocalist Julya Loko).
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Very 80's, but I loved this song and am surprised no one brought up Johnny Clegg, here with Juluka (maybe too well known?).
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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First impression, page 2:
Mike: Sonia Dada “Don’t Go (Giving
Your Love Away)” Starts with some bass
and laid back percussion. Lovely, lovely
female vocals, with pretty, pretty harmonies.
Nice easy-going organ kicks in, song mentions summer breezes, the song
does feel very summery. Groove Collective “Rentstrike” Very retro
jazz sounding (as in big band type) to start, then kicks in with a more modern
sound. Horns have a great groove, backed
with strong percussion and plinky (I know, my technical terminology is wanting)
keyboard accents with some whirlies thrown in.
Nice sax solo follows with keyboard interplay. Then it gets a bit skewed. Fun listen, with so many change-ups. Talking Heads [Nothing But] Flowers” I quite enjoyed them back in the day, nice to
revisit this one, I like what they did with the remix, too. Adiemus “Kayama” Really gorgeous African-style layered vocals begin
this one. Keyboard washes way down in
the mix and some gentle percussion, as the vocals continue in the opening
fashion. Flute (or a flute-ish
instrument) kicks in, about halfway in, then more of an orchestral sound joins
the keyboard wash, then the piece concludes with a reprise from all and a big
crescendo and fade out of the vocals. Paul
Winter Consort “Minuit” I remember this
well, really a beautiful piece of music, one of the early ones of it’s kind. I never knew the origins of it. Cristi: Inariwen “Toumast Tincha” Aw, come on, you got me curious about the torture by progressive metal meets Tunisian folklore! Anyway, on to your nomination. Male chorus of voices over twangy guitar (I never knew there was so much twang in African music, but then again, I don’t know a ton of it, so am enjoying the foray into new territory for me). Nice guitar hook here when it comes in, and I enjoy the lead guitar that kicks in about halfway. Additions: suitkees: Angelique Kidjo “Born Under Punches” Syncopated vocals, drums and twangy Africanesque guitar. “All I want is to breathe,” in the lyrics is particularly poignant at this time. Powerful statement song. George: Ginger Baker “The African Force” Also, Ginger, The Force of Nature, himself, lol. In the documentary about him, I loved watching him in the African village portion. Anyway, really solid grooves (what else?) and some horn punctuations, very experimental piece in nature. He really loved to stretch out in this kind of music and it shows. Lewian: Rokia Traore “Tu Voles” Live, begins with a very warm appreciation of the audience by the artist. Then she sings in such a beautiful, evocative voice with minimal accompaniment, which then kicks into the full band. Even though she is softly singing, the balance is excellent, you can hear everyone. This is my favourite of yours this time. Edited by Snicolette - October 28 2020 at 12:42 |
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I had planned to go for some Fela Kuti and maybe something off Afreaka, but this will probably be my nomination (I love it).
Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans - "Glenon Ho Akue" This so long that I don't expect people to listen: Edited by Logan - October 28 2020 at 12:18 |
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my nomination
I also thought of Myrath, Tunisian/French band, but I don't wanna torture anyone with progressive metal meets Tunisian folklore. Also Shaking the Tree by Peter Gabriel would work here. ![]() |
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Had some listening space today, so here are my thoughts on the first page, on first listen. Thank you to The Anders for a fun and different slant than we've had for a while, to George for starting the listening YT link and also, always, to Lorenzo for being the originator of these polls. Nice to see some new faces, too, welcome!
The Anders:
Kokoko! “Malembe” Well, this is a TON of fun! Love that they made so many of the
instruments as well as the music. It’s
very spirited, both modern and somehow also ancient in feel. The washboard/guitar thing is very cool. The Tractor.
I love that. One could say it was
very minimalist, as it made no sound at all, even though tractors are known to be a bit noisy.
Samuel: Black Bombaim “Africa II” Lots of Dead Can Dance sounding clacky things in the background, with wonderful, fuzzy electric guitar over the top, then moving on into more intensity from both the percussion and guitar. About halfway through, guitar drops out and it moves into a great sax solo with bass and the ever-present clackies. Smooth guitar chords and riffs in a much quieter way, with the sax duetting along. Guitar intensifies again for quite a while, eventually they all quietly exit into deep space. I liked it! George: Steward Copeland & Gizmo “Koteja” This one has a fun sound to it (so much African music has an upbeat feel, doesn’t it?). Very rhythmic with first an African melodic vocal, then a rap in English, back to the African melodic bits and call and response with the audience. Electric lead and bubbling along under bass with very precise drumming undernearth. Easy Money: King Sunny Ade “365 is my Number/The Message” Very gentle, village-y feel here, I love the soft blending of the vocals when everyone joins in singing with him. The jam is very cool, as you’d indicated. Lots of twisty guitar and a deep bass-y guitar twanging along, with tons of understated klicky-clacky percussion. Gets very trance-y too, with guitar curlicue adornments, then they get all plinky towards the end as they gently fade away. Greg: Ali Farka Toure “Savane” The modality kind of feels Middle Eastern, here, interesting hollow-ish guitar tone and interplay between that sound and a twangy kind of picked sound, plus some really low, bass-y notes. Love his vocal quality as well. Ladysmith Black Mambazo “Diamonds On The Soles of Her Shoes” We carried this group many times on the buses. All a capella, done in a light-hearted style, plenty o’ rhythm. Miriam Makeba with Hugh Masekela “Soweto Blues” Beautiful, soulful vocals and you can’t beat Hugh Masekela’s style. This was done in documentary style, something we’ve not seen much of in these polls, but it only added to get more of the story, and then move back to the music. Drew: I knew what you brought would not disappoint. Samite “Night Stories” Begins with kalimba or marimba and some really gorgeous layered vocals, almost sounds prayerful. Distant horn intersperses from time to time with those haunting vocals, as the kalimba sound continues as the foundation of the piece. Little bits of harmonics drift in from time to time, reminds me of stars twinkling in night skies. As far as I’m concerned, this could have gone on twice as long and still seem short. Hamza El Din “Nagrishad” This one, I will have to recuse myself from. I have this on CD and have been lucky enough to see Hamza El Din live a couple of times in a very small, beautiful old church in Santa Cruz. Just a wonderful musician, a completely authentic performance and mesmerizing piece. Lewian: Tony Allen & Hugh Masekela “Never (Lagos Never Gonna Be The Same)” Jazzy piece (as expected), very infectious groove, staccato vocals, great understated drumming, too. Sad and moving memorial piece, taking it all down to some of what life is all about. Dissidenten “fata morgana” Has the feeling very much of Moroccan village music (which I enjoy), but in a modern setting. So much Middle Eastern music is geared toward dance, so the beat doesn’t bother me, it’s just a bit odd to my ear without the heavier sound of oud and dumbek. Gives it a lighter touch. dwill123: Soul Makossa “Mano Dibango” Funky, repetitious vocals, steady beat throughout with horn punctuating, also repeating it’s own sound. Vocals come back in and out, then there’s a more full horn section, which also repeats. suitkees: Sunburst “Vijana” Definitely more rock than we’ve been hearing thus far. Interesting to hear a more “standard,” rock structure, but with a decidedly African edge. I like the bass in this one a lot. They close it out with a bit of a horn, then a fuzzy bass-y guitar solo. Pili Pili “Hoomba Hoomba” A jazz/rock-type setting here, which is nice to hear. Lots of effected keys and horn in this with a steady conga player setting the pace. Angelique is fun to watch in this live setting, also, when she finally gets a chance to add her part. Afro Celt Sound System “When I Still Needed You” Begins with some keys sounding vaguely concertina-like and a way-back-there drone underneath it. Some guitar and bass starts building up and some drum and light cymbal-ly thing accenting the sound here and there. Pretty, fairly deep female voice, with just a touch of vibrato, comes in about halfway in, building the tension nicely. I really like what the acoustic guitar is doing underneath all of this. This is my favourite of the 3 you brought this time. |
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Video doesn't play for me (U.S.), so it's not included in the playlist. See if you can find another video, and I'll add.
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