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^ I'd add Peter Hammill to this lot. You may not like his singing but his lyrics are quite extraordinary.

A certain member on here uses a line written by Peter Hammill from my very favourite verse all eras and genres included as his signature...
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I defy anyone to find me a lyricist who is more well read and has more intelligent and thought provoking lyrics than Peart. Can't do it because it can't be done. LOL The guy has read about a book day for the past fifty years. 

From a "prog" standpoint, I would suggest Ian Anderson and Peter Gabriel are far better. Peter Sinfield is quite accomplished as well. I would consider any one of the three as poets, as opposed to Peart as just a lyricist with an occasional hard-on for Ayn Rand.
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I just found out that Mike Portnoy is a fan of rap. That's quite surprising to me.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

It's different for every generation. I simply think that this generation does not have the musical ability and lyrical flow to show that they have something that is outstanding and above the norm.

That's not to say that rap is nothing, for there are some very fine things in there, but considering what is behind it, and calling it  "music" is a bit scary for me!


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Originally posted by Argos Argos wrote:

I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made, but still Geddy's vocals are a tough nut to crack, even more than any metal vocalist. 

Though, I still think theirs is a weird sound, considering they're not symphonic prog like most prog bands even if you ended up getting into Rush you might have difficulties liking other ones that are softer. As others have said, getting into any type of music requires you to listen to many many bands all at once so as to expand your sound palette quicker.

I also crossed over from metal (into progressive electronics first!) and I never had an issue with Gedd's voice. Not one bit. Awesome singer.

There are some metal vocalists I could never get into, like King Diamond. Awful.
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Originally posted by Argos Argos wrote:

I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made

Good point.
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I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made, but still Geddy's vocals are a tough nut to crack, even more than any metal vocalist. 

Though, I still think theirs is a weird sound, considering they're not symphonic prog like most prog bands even if you ended up getting into Rush you might have difficulties liking other ones that are softer. As others have said, getting into any type of music requires you to listen to many many bands all at once so as to expand your sound palette quicker.
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Why all the discussion about the quality of Peart's lyrics?  Rush isn't even prog, let alone good prog, so the whole point is moot.  It's a discussion for a generic rock 'n roll forum.  Seriously, we should add a new genre called "Prog Wannabe's" and add Rush, Kansas, and everything that Steve Wilson has done.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

While I am sure it is fascinating listening to Steve's tuna-boat memories of 1960s girls with bad hygiene and hairy armpits, returning to the subject I think you're better off fooling someone into liking prog. Don't even mention prog. Let them listen to 1970s Floyd or Tull, depending on their musical proclivities, and then ease them into something more outlandish. For god's sake don't just drop a VdGG or Henry Cow album on them out of nowhere. They could become mentally scarred and end up hating you.
 


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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Dude, Peart's lyrics are awesome!

Also, Jon Anderson has stated several times it's more about the sound of the words than the actual meaning. Because of this, a lot of Yes lyrics sound like alphabet soup when you listen closely, lol.

Exactly. Post of the day as far as I'm concerned. Wink 

I defy anyone to find me a lyricist who is more well read and has more intelligent and thought provoking lyrics than Peart. Can't do it because it can't be done. LOL The guy has read about a book day for the past fifty years. 


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You guys...are Neil Peart's lyrics overrated or underrated...?

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Neil's a great lyricist. There have been times when he seemed to phone it in, but when he's on, he's ON.
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Micky, you still haven't mentioned which bands have better lyrics than Rush? Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion about Rush and their lyrics. To each their own I guess. I do agree with you though that if you haven't "gotten" them as a band by the age of 25 you likely won't but I think the same is true about Yes and actually most prog. 

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

You didn't complain. LOL!
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The fact that you mention VDGG in the same sentence as Henry Cow and then used the word mentally scared tells me I'd probably like Henry Cow. :D 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!

While I am sure it is fascinating listening to Steve's tuna-boat memories of 1960s girls with bad hygiene and hairy armpits, returning to the subject I think you're better off fooling someone into liking prog. Don't even mention prog. Let them listen to 1970s Floyd or Tull, depending on their musical proclivities, and then ease them into something more outlandish. For god's sake don't just drop a VdGG or Henry Cow album on them out of nowhere. They could become mentally scarred and end up hating you.
 


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The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
You kids from the 70's and 80's had it much better then my g-g-generation. The hippy chicks I hung with didn't even bath, let alone dye their hair or wear makeup!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Yeah, Yes's lyrics do make sense to the inebriated, I suppose.

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YES fans, of old, did the best acid, the longest serving grass and on occasion, the cleanest needle there was!

Oh, we also drank bottled water because one of the guys told us that pop was bad!

AND, we thought that medieval clothing, make up and knee high boots were awesome, and wore them, although if we did that at school the principle and the teachers would tell you to go home, shower and dress and then come to school!

The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Peart lyrics bad????? Crazy off beat opinion, rather silly. I would not call them bad but Yes lyrics are pretty nuts and make very little sense.....Way too many bowls of hash and too much meditating.
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Yeah, Yes's lyrics do make sense to the inebriated, I suppose.
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