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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The British in general resent tipping I think. It is not  a given here as it is in the USA.  I say that though  I think it has become more usual. I believe some chains add the tip to the bill  anyway. So you have to pay.
No, you don't. Not in Nevada, at least. You just write a big fat zero if you wish to. You can always opt to write a zero on the bill but put a buck or two and a change on the table so that the server could take it. My stepfather does that, my mother does that. Why? 'Cause a part of that tip will not go to the server if you do write it on the bill. 
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Tipping is buying into the whole low-wage concept and I think it's a disgraceful way to run any business.
And I wholeheartedly agree with that.

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In denmark the law says - tips must allways be inclued, but the tradition stays, special in the taxi and resturants.
But with more and more card payments it slowing down, people are less likely to give extras,when they dont carry mush change anymore.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The British in general resent tipping I think. It is not  a given here as it is in the USA.  I say that though  I think it has become more usual. I believe some chains add the tip to the bill  anyway. So you have to pay.
You can always refuse the service charge if you feel the service was not up to standard. We're far too reserved to do that of course. But I think a lot of us Brits are bit relieved when we see "Service Included" on a bill.
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The British in general resent tipping I think. It is not  a given here as it is in the USA.  I say that though  I think it has become more usual. I believe some chains add the tip to the bill  anyway. So you have to pay.
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

You all do know that people who depend on tips get a miniscule hourly wage right?
Yes, and the tipping system, keeps things like that. If you havent had that, it would be better paid.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Man, my jokes are falling flat today. Ouch It was simply a joke about Icelandic cuisine.

well i thought it was funny
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^ I'll pass
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Man, my jokes are falling flat today. Ouch It was simply a joke about Icelandic cuisine.
 
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Man, my jokes are falling flat today. Ouch It was simply a joke about Icelandic cuisine.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Thinking of tipping at a restaurant in Iceland? Think again - it's an 
insult!


And serving your customers rotting, fermented shark isn't?
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Waitresses who add a "smiley" face to their bills see their tips increase 
about 5%. Men who do the same watch theirs DROP 3%.*Smile
Thinking of tipping at a restaurant in Iceland? Think again - it's an 
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

You all do know that people who depend on tips get a miniscule hourly wage right?
Yeah,right. And why should we tolerate that? In the 21st century why do we tolerate paying people miniscule hourly rates and expect them to make that up to a living wage on hand-outs from "grateful" customers? Tipping is buying into the whole low-wage concept and I think it's a disgraceful way to run any business.

Edited by Dean - November 03 2012 at 14:03
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ OK, but say we took the tipping system from under their feet. The restaurant chains would be forced to pay more to the workers. The prices on the food would go up, right?
Who cares? Resturant prices in the USA are ridiculously cheap anyway, even if the price went up by 25-35% they'd still be cheap.
 
In the USA a mid-range meal for two costs $45 ... with 25% tip that's $56.25
In the UK a mid-range meal for two costs £40 ... with a 10% tip that's £44 ... or $70.49
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

In some of the restaurants I've eaten in I should be tipped for being a good customer in spite of the poor service I've received.
Ho-ho-ho! You wish. LOL Are you trying to undermine the restaurant chain industry?
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Points: 166183 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2012 at 13:03
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Tipping should be stopped - it's a stupid, outrageous and demeaning ritual that lost it's true meaning eons ago. It is no longer a gratuity or reward - now it's a wage payment for just doing your job. It is far from discretionary even when it is not mandatory because in terms of salary and taxation it is considered to be a part of the waiting staff's wages and that's wrong. Owners and managers should pay their staff properly and charge their customers accordingly, expecting the customer to "make-up" the staff wages to a living-wage is archaic and insulting - tipping should be a payment over and above wages, not an expected part of them.
 
Also the practice of percentage-tipping is just dumb - whether I order the cheapest thing off the menu or the most expensive the "cost" of delivering that should be the same so the dollar-amount of the tip should be the same.
 
Even if a tip was a reward for good service (which it isn't when it is considered to be compulsory) it would still be an asinine practice - it is an after the event bribe to do your job.
 
Why is it that people working in hotels, resturants, taxis and hairdressers expect tips for doing their paid job? You don't get this in any other service industry and you certainly don't get it in any non-service industry - you wouldn't pay Microsoft or Apple an extra 20% for delivering a working piece of tech, or tip an accountant for auditting your accounts "adequately", so why are we expected to tip someone for serving food?
 
If a tronc system is in practice then I want to know about it up-front - because if I want to tip someone in a resturant then I want to tip the guy that cooked it, not the table staff who managed to write down my order with it screwing it up and then managed to carry it the 20 feet from kitchen to table without dropping it or putting their thumb in the mashed potato.
 
I also want to know whether the staff get 100% of the gratuity I include on a credit card payment and that deductions are not made for breakages, till shortages or customer walk-outs. Is the widly believed notion that in some establishments staff only get a small fraction of the credit card paid tips true or just a rumour spread around by resturant staff because credit card tips cannot go undeclared on a tax return (hence coercing customers to leave a cash tip)?
 
In the UK 10% is "normal" (this isn't mean or stingy - European restaurant prices are considerably higher than in the US) - we register our disapproval or dissatisfaction by not tipping - the idea that you can get crap service and still be expected to tip is just silly. In some of the restaurants I've eaten in I should be tipped for being a good customer in spite of the poor service I've received.
 
 
 
 
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2012 at 12:31
^ So it would be the same. OK.
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Points: 4671 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2012 at 12:29
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ OK, but say we took the tipping system from under their feet. The restaurant chains would be forced to pay more to the workers. The prices on the food would go up, right?
As long as the final payment (current bill+tip) remained pretty much the same, so what?
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2012 at 12:28
^ OK, but say we took the tipping system from under their feet. The restaurant chains would be forced to pay more to the workers. The prices on the food would go up, right?
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