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Achilles by far. Kashmir bores me most of the time. Achilles is an exciting, daring, epic piece of music - one of my favourites from Zep. 
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^ of course. But most musicians will narrow it down to the main theme when they're asked what a certain piece essentially is. On Kashmir they do build a bit on it, but much less than what they normally did - which makes it so special in the Zepp cannon, too (IMO). 
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^ 20 seconds is a bit of a stretch ... or, should I say, a bit of a compression. There have to be at least four different musical ideas on it, ... and Achilles suffers the same problem.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Achilles' Last Stand by far.

Kashmir is a 4 minute song, and then, it's entirely repeated for another 4 minute song. I hate Kashmir.


In fact it's less than that - it's a 20 seconds bit that keeps being repeated. Page himself said this in an interview bit I streamed years ago on their official website, and he plays the the on the acoustic guitar to prove his point.

Kashmir has though Plant's best lyrics (or my favourite, at least), and it's very evocative.

But I would still go for Achilles'.
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Kashmir. The Zeps going Mid-Eastern? And it works? Cool ! 

Achilles' Last Stand? I must say that the intro to the song is legenwait for it ....


... dary. But the main body of the song is really tedious. They run a very limited set of ideas across the span of 10 minutes. Christ. But the foreign power of Kashmir just barely gets tiresome compared to Achilles.

Voted for Kashmir.


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Achilles' Last Stand  - action packed, the layered approach that JP was so good at is on full display here.
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For me, Kashmir is the best tune what Led Zep ever made..
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It's a much more well written song than Kashmir. Also, Kasmir is slower, so that may add to the overlong feeling.

Kashmir literally repeats the first 4 minutes, whereas Achilles' does not do something so blatant. There are different things that happen.
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Achilles Last Stand might be their best song (although stuck on one of their worst albums), and I prefer it over the also great Kashmir. Saying that Kashmir is overlong isn't the whole story. Achilles is also a normal-length song drawn out into an "epic". The real question is: Why doesn't Achilles feel overlong despite being overlong?
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Achilles' Last Stand by far.

Kashmir is a 4 minute song, and then, it's entirely repeated for another 4 minute song. I hate Kashmir.
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Two of their finest pieces.  For a long time, Achilles was my favorite Zep song overall, but I think I overplayed it so I'm a little tired of it now.  And Kashmir is just a mindblowing piece, even if it's a little overexposed.  It's very close, but in a pinch I have to say Kashmir is the superior piece.
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The mighty Achilles over the mighty Kashmir.
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Love both, but Achilles Last Stand gets the vote fairly easily here. It's one of their most 'exciting' songs. I love the drive of it, and Bonhams drumming is magnificent.
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Achilles for me to, but I prefer Stairway to both of these actually.
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I did a forum search but didn't find a similar poll so I thought I'd make one myself.
 
Which do you prefer of these two songs, arguably Led Zep's two greatest epics?
 
Personally, I'd say Achilles by a mile, I'm not fond of Kashmir at all.
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