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moshkito 
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 Posted: February 03 2018 at 09:04 |
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I have really liked Zeppelin a long and still like, but have to say I think they´re the most overrated band in rock history, specially when they just have directly stolen so much stuff from others. Dazed & Confused from Jack Holmes, Stairway from Spirit, Whole Lotta Love from Small Faces who took it from Muddy Waters, Nobody´s Fault from Blind Willie Johnson etc. |
This is grossly unfair ... it was not "stolen" and credits were given for the most part.
it was about an EXPRESSION, and that expression stood out, because so few others were capable of doing it right, and express themselves so well. That this song, or that song was used, is not the issue ... the issue is, was it used in such a way as to show something even more about that song ... and the answer is YES, it was.
You have to take the music history and expression as you would a college course ... you can not judge it ... but what you are saying is that a Leonard Bernstein doing a Vivaldi, has to be crap, and no one could do Stravinsky like Igor himself could! ... and on that venue, you would be extremely incorrect.
LZ was not the only band working and using old material ... the Rolling Stones also did it, and way much more than LZ ever did!
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Posted: February 03 2018 at 08:54 |
Understand the WTFness of the "duel" threads, but they often wring out opinions in favor of or against that may open a reader's eye to an aspect of the music that had previously been overlooked. Yeah, a lot of them do compare strawberry jam and curry, but, man, there've been some good reads.
Back to topic, ZEP! Rush were the b*****d child of all things Zep-like and all things Yes-like.....and, yeah, I get that Page lifted a lot of the Zep canon, and that mid-period proggy Rush and the new world 80s Rush may be technically superior, but ZEP!
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Posted: January 22 2018 at 05:07 |
Quinino wrote:
Can't we like both ?
I'll never fully understand these duels - my problem surely
(but secretly happy Zep is on the lead hahaha)
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That's what we do here, make polls. The most fun are when people do polls that seem like they want to compare apples to steak.
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Posted: January 21 2018 at 11:17 |
^I have to disagree. I am not saying Rush is the most innovative progband of seventies, but I think since Fly By Night they really found their own sound and I think it was much more modern than the "powerprog" bands before. And aren´t they predecessors of neoprog?
I have really liked Zeppelin a long and still like, but have to say I think they´re the most overrated band in rock history, specially when they just have directly stolen so much stuff from others. Dazed & Confused from Jack Holmes, Stairway from Spirit, Whole Lotta Love from Small Faces who took it from Muddy Waters, Nobody´s Fault from Blind Willie Johnson etc.
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Posted: January 21 2018 at 10:25 |
moshkito wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Almost 8 years later and the mighty Zep are still on top.....'Hammer Of The Gods' indeed.
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The issue for me was simple ... by the time that RUSH came about, I was into Pink Floyd, Ange, PFM, Banco, Can, Amon Duul 2, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, Gong, Caravan, Ash Ra Tempel (and many others) ... and things like RUSH, no longer had the touch and the beauty to stand up to some of those works mentioned.
It was nothing personal or about the band at all. I actually thought that most of what RUSH was doing, at the time, was just extending what could have been different songs into one long one, on occasion, and of course, a bit later they scored a hit or two ... and that, for me, took the progressive and experimental out for me, and I was done listening ... not that I did not like a few songs here and there, but none of the longer pieces caught my attention anymore. |
I will agree with Mosh in this regard. By the time Rush decided to stop being Zeppelin acolytes and turned more to "prog", none of the material they were releasing was really that innovative, considering what I had already heard in the 70s. Rush simply followed a path that had already been walked years before. They found a niche and played a version of power prog that was unique in the 80s simply because every other band from the previous era had moved on or quit. I had also moved on.
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Posted: January 21 2018 at 09:24 |
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Posted: January 21 2018 at 08:01 |
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Can't we like both ?
I'll never fully understand these duels - my problem surely
(but secretly happy Zep is on the lead hahaha)
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moshkito
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Posted: January 21 2018 at 07:37 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Almost 8 years later and the mighty Zep are still on top.....'Hammer Of The Gods' indeed.
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The issue for me was simple ... by the time that RUSH came about, I was into Pink Floyd, Ange, PFM, Banco, Can, Amon Duul 2, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, Gong, Caravan, Ash Ra Tempel (and many others) ... and things like RUSH, no longer had the touch and the beauty to stand up to some of those works mentioned.
It was nothing personal or about the band at all. I actually thought that most of what RUSH was doing, at the time, was just extending what could have been different songs into one long one, on occasion, and of course, a bit later they scored a hit or two ... and that, for me, took the progressive and experimental out for me, and I was done listening ... not that I did not like a few songs here and there, but none of the longer pieces caught my attention anymore.
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Posted: January 20 2018 at 19:24 |
Almost 8 years later and the mighty Zep are still on top.....'Hammer Of The Gods' indeed.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 20 2018 at 15:31 |
Hi,
Considering that I had been hearing and enjoying LZ for almost 5 years, before Rush's first album, I would say that LZ has the edge here ... and honestly, when I heard Rush intently for the first time, a couple more years later, it was nice, however, the punch and the strength, was still with LZ for me, and my girlfriend.
Both have been very well loved for a long time, and will continue to appreciate that love. However, even musically, I would think that LZ was way more interesting for me, than Rush. That's not to say that Rush was not fine or good. It was great, but I had been with LZ since the first album and song ... and had rocked with it that whole time by then!
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Posted: January 20 2018 at 01:10 |
Enchant X wrote:
Rush can play led zeps stuff .. but I doubt led zep could touch Rush's material and ability
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Posted: January 19 2018 at 22:57 |
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Rush. Have to think about little, because none of them are not my big faves. Then pick Rush, because found out those so many cribs of Zeppelin.
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Posted: January 19 2018 at 16:04 |
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Rush can play led zeps stuff .. but I doubt led zep could touch Rush's material and ability
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I'm a big Rush fan but they have some albums I can take or leave, whereas LZ are one of my top 3 bands and have very few songs that I dislike.
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^Heh I feel the exact opposite.
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Posted: July 19 2017 at 12:31 |
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Gotta say Rush. Zeppelin is hit or miss for me. Some stuff is great, other stuff, not so much.
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Posted: April 11 2017 at 12:59 |
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Rush by a thin margin...
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Either I am hearing something different or the Beatles didn't really rip anyone off. They were influenced sure but that's about it lol
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Posted: October 06 2016 at 00:06 |
There's only so much you can do with the Blues 
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^Cool but you gotta admit that Revolution intro is a clacker- at least we know what the Beatles were listening to.......
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