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 Posted: April 10 2011 at 16:35 |
Peter Gabriel has always had a memorable and fantastic voice.
One of my favorites.
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rdtprog
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 08:50 |
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Marco Glühmann
Jon Anderson
Fish
Gabriel
Peter Nicholls
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Prog Geo
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 06:09 |
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I'll write the best.Mikael Akerfeldt!
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Sonorous Meal show every Sunday at 20:00 (greek time) on http://www.justincaseradio.com
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 06:04 |
 BaldFriede wrote:
"Glottal" does not mean "incorrect" or "uncontrolled" at all; it just means using the glottis. |
I said metal singing is not necessarily uncontrolled or incorrect. His posts insinuate that rock/metal singers use glottal voice which spoils the throat. And that is what I have responded to.
BaldFriede wrote:
And of course metal singers use it. And why not?
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Could you give some examples of say Ronnie James Dio using it because as far as I know you, he uses his chest and head, that's all. Which singers and what style of metal singing do you have in mind when you say they use glottal voice?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 03:16 |
rogerthat wrote:
StrengthandWisdom wrote:
I mean, don't most rock/metal singers use glottal voice?
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I don't think so and that is why I cited the example of Dio. He had such a long career and so many shows under his belt but there was barely a dent on his voice through the years. Bruce Dickinson's voice too held up well over the years. Halford and Tate ran into problems but that was on account of their lifestyle, particularly excessive drinking. That is what I have tried to emphasize on this thread. What sounds throaty to the listener may not be so at all, it may be controlled and "safe" singing. Anyhow, long story short, rock singers going over C5 definitely switch to head voice just like other singers. What you are suggesting might have applied to Freddie Mercury who apparently contracted some voice problems later on in his career (and again, whether THAT was the cause or something else, I don't know). But high singing in rock/metal from 80s onwards, especially the Allen/Hansi types, is controlled and 'correct'. |
"Glottal" does not mean "incorrect" or "uncontrolled" at all; it just means using the glottis. Nothing wrong with that at all. And of course metal singers use it. And why not?
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 00:49 |
StrengthandWisdom wrote:
I mean, don't most rock/metal singers use glottal voice?
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I don't think so and that is why I cited the example of Dio. He had such a long career and so many shows under his belt but there was barely a dent on his voice through the years. Bruce Dickinson's voice too held up well over the years. Halford and Tate ran into problems but that was on account of their lifestyle, particularly excessive drinking. That is what I have tried to emphasize on this thread. What sounds throaty to the listener may not be so at all, it may be controlled and "safe" singing. Anyhow, long story short, rock singers going over C5 definitely switch to head voice just like other singers. What you are suggesting might have applied to Freddie Mercury who apparently contracted some voice problems later on in his career (and again, whether THAT was the cause or something else, I don't know). But high singing in rock/metal from 80s onwards, especially the Allen/Hansi types, is controlled and 'correct'.
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 00:38 |
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I mean, don't most rock/metal singers use glottal voice? Before Jazz/Blues singers studied the classical methods, and the singing styles of opera singers such as Luciano Pavrotti. Why don't all singers study the classical opera methods?
Jazz/Blues focused more on a head voice.
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 00:21 |
For some reason, remembered an awesome singer who hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread, I think. Zach Stevens of Savatage, kicka**! 
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 00:14 |
StrengthandWisdom wrote:
Whats the difference of singing coaches? What do they teach?
Also why has singing changed so much? do people not sing from the diaphragm anymore? is that an old technical thing.
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They simply teach you the mechanics and anatomy of using your diaphragm. So, people do still use the diaphragm to sing, at least those who sing 'correctly' like Allen, so I am not sure what you are referring to when you say singing has changed so much. As I said before, technique matters, and not effect. Many heavy metal singers can sing with BIG production, volume and power at the high end of a tenor's range, and they are NOT doing anything they aren't supposed to. Dio, for instance, had lost precious little in his voice right till his last years and he sang for nearly 40 years live.
Edited by rogerthat - April 10 2011 at 00:15
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 23:57 |
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Whats the difference of singing coaches? What do they teach?
Also why has singing changed so much? do people not sing from the diaphragm anymore? is that an old technical thing.
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 23:27 |
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Not that I know of. The trend these days is for singers to work with voice coaches, so they don't necessarily study classical singing. Annie Haslam studied under a classical instructor for a short time but I don't know of any other of the better known prog singers who did so. And that was in the 70s before instructional tapes and books by voice coaches became the rage.
Edited by rogerthat - April 09 2011 at 23:27
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MillsLayne
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 23:26 |
I'm not sure if any of the guys I'm going to list have formal vocal training, but I personally think they have great voices. In no order:
Mariusz Duda (Riverside)
Rikard Sjöblom (Beardfish)
Ian Kenny (Karnivool)
Sel Balamir (Amplifier)
Mike Vennart (Oceansize)
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 23:22 |
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I know who Daniel Gildenlow is, I like his voice, and I really like Russel Allen's voice too. Did Russel Allen study the classical methods? He sounds like a baritone or a tenor.
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 21:42 |
StrengthandWisdom wrote:
. Also I'm surprised nobody's mentioned James LaBrie, while I dislike him, he has amazing intonation. Did James LaBrie study the classical vocal methods?
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He was mentioned and he's not all that great, imo. Listen to Daniel Gildenlow or Russell Allen (Symphony X), amazing singers. And though I have read that LaBrie worked under some vocal coaches, I don't know that he actually learnt classical singing.
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Luna
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 20:28 |
Daniel Gildenlow and Peter Hammill
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MoodyRush
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 20:01 |
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I don't know if I've read Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull on these lists, but I think he's a great singer. Geddy Lee, Steve Wilson, Opeth's vocalist (however you spell his Swedish names...), Jon Anderson, and Justin Hayward are a few more of my favorite vocalists.
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Moonlight is bleeding from out of your soul.
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SayYes
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 19:35 |
Annie Haslam - Incredibly good voice
Freddie Mercury - Really good voice
Peter Hammill - Lovely good voice
Jon Anderson - Harshly good voice
David Surkamp - Creepy good voice
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silverpot
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 16:06 |
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Greg Lake is the greatest IMO, not only has he a powerful and beatiful voice, it's also the way he stresses the words and his timing.
I also think David Gilmour and Justin Hayward should get a mention. Lovely voices, mellow and soothing.
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 14:22 |
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Whats the difference between technicality and intensity with vocalists? You guys are giving lots of different descriptions.
Oh yeah, I like Chris Thompson. Also I'm surprised nobody's mentioned James LaBrie, while I dislike him, he has amazing intonation. Did James LaBrie study the classical vocal methods?
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 14:16 |
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Glottal voice is using air from the lungs, its air being used from a very tensed throat, and this is in turn bad for the throat.
Singing lessons train you to have control over your breath and be in tune with your body. Jazz singers did this too, but they created methods that focused on the falsetto voice.
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