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Points: 258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 13:08

Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

Have you ever listened to Mendelssohn's Eliah Oratorio or some of his organ music? And Rachmaninov's 2nd Symphony or 2nd-3rd piano concertos?

YES !  

That's why i don't like them !    

About Skryabin must be said that some piano sonatas are genial and they are worth a visit, but in general he represents all the boasting stupidity of his age (decadentism, M.me Blavatsky, laudanum, Gabriele Dannunzio... ).

... ABOUT ELP AND GENESIS... U  R  RIGHT !!!!!!!



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Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

Did you attend a performance with all the fanfares at the corners of the church !?

List of composers i really don't like: Berlioz , Sanit-Saens, Mendelsohnn, Chaikosvky, Rachmaninov, Skryabin, Paganini.

It wasn't a church: it was the second concert in the recently opened Bridgewater Hall in Manchester (at the end of 1996 if I remember well); for the very first concert they had the Queen there and the Hallè Orchestra (with Kent Nagano) choose some "easier" music - with some Elgar, of course. The second one, Berlioz's Requiem, was the BBC Philharmonic conducted by Yan Pascal Tortelier and yes, the fanfares were in all the four corners, but noy only that: also parts of the choirs were divided in different places in all the corners of the auditorium. I still shiver when I remember that...

I agree with your dislike of Tchaikovsky and Paganini. I think Tchaikovsky is to many other composers what ELP are to Genesis (pun intended), and Paganini... well that should be Dream Theater's "fireworks" (again intended)  But give me their music better than silence, if you know what I mean...

But I don't agree with you regarding Berlioz, Mendelssohn and, above all, Rachmaninov!!! I'm not familiar enough with Skryabin. Have you ever listened to Mendelssohn's Eliah Oratorio or some of his organ music? And Rachmaninov's 2nd Symphony or 2nd-3rd piano concertos?

Anyway, taste is very personal. I can't stand music from the Renaissance, for example...

 
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Points: 258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:45

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy

Khatchaturian's violin concerto is a very exhilarant piece of music and very difficult to be perfomed (listen to 1965 Oistrach version, is the best... the concert was written just for him !), but IMHO is a virtuoso piece, it remains only on the surface of the musical matter.

However i like it very much !  

 
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I'm really gonna purchase a cd with those concerto's off Khatchaturian on it!
"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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Points: 258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:35
Originally posted by fm0210 fm0210 wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

that's just my personnal opinion...make the comparaison and you will see what I mean

Also Dmitri Shostakovich's concerto in A minor figures among the top



Have you listened to Shostakovich's string quartets no. 8 & 9? impressive!

Is the 8th that quartet made with several themes from previous DSCH's compositions ?

 
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Points: 258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:32
Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

OK, you edited a post that originally only said "Berlioz?", thus my answer about the Requiem. Boring? I don't think so, but... Actually, I started to enjoy it more after attending a quite impressive live performance a few years ago...

Anyway, think in the Symphonie Fantastique: the first "Concept Symphony". But I see you are not a big Berlioz fan...

You're really right about the Simphonie... but i don't like either  .

Did you attend a performance with all the fanfares at the corners of the church !?

List of composers i really don't like: Berlioz , Sanit-Saens, Mendelsohnn, Chaikosvky, Rachmaninov, Skryabin, Paganini, Sibelius and 19th century national schools in general.

 



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Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

that's just my personnal opinion...make the comparaison and you will see what I mean

Also Dmitri Shostakovich's concerto in A minor figures among the top



Have you listened to Shostakovich's string quartets no. 8 & 9? impressive!
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Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy


Great composition, I love his piano concerto too
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:11
Originally posted by haas haas wrote:

I have never heard these Orchestral Version!! But most times I hate the orchestral versions because the composer didn't write it for an orchestra but for the piano. I really don't like these arrangers who arrange such a masterpiece to something it wasn't ment to be.


Try the Monteux version of Debussy's "Images".
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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:05

I really don't know guy, the version I've listened to was performed by Leonid Kogan with  Moscou national Orchestra during the 50s

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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 08:08
Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy


Did they play it at the Queen Elizabeth concours in Belgium? I will listen to it, if I can find it.
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that's just my personnal opinion...make the comparaison and you will see what I mean

Also Dmitri Shostakovich's concerto in A minor figures among the top



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You go far, philippe!
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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 04:52
I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2005 at 03:16
Originally posted by haas haas wrote:

Wauw, some real classical fans here. Listen to the first of the Images Oubliees, by Claude Debussy, It's so beautifull, emotional, and close to life, really fantastic.

I think i'm gonna play it myself right now ;).


That's great you enjoyed!
There are other orchestral pieces like "nuages" (clouds)that you should try.
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Points: 521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:06
Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...

 

I just was talking about that.....

OK, you edited a post that originally only said "Berlioz?", thus my answer about the Requiem. Boring? I don't think so, but... Actually, I started to enjoy it more after attending a quite impressive live performance a few years ago...

Anyway, think in the Symphonie Fantastique: the first "Concept Symphony". But I see you are not a big Berlioz fan...

 
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Wauw, some real classical fans here. Listen to the first of the Images Oubliees, by Claude Debussy, It's so beautifull, emotional, and close to life, really fantastic.

I think i'm gonna play it myself right now ;).
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Points: 258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:15
Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...

 

I just was talking about that.....

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Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...

 
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Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

Three names to start with: J.S. Bach, Berlioz, Wagner

Beethoven was the first in many fields: the first muscian to be successfully manager of himself (ant not a servant), the first to understand what to do with the forma sonata, the first to put political ideas in music, the first to deeply explore piano possibilities, the first to write "real" violin sonatas, the first to wirte a violin concerto dedicated to music and not to the violinists' ego    (eh eh eh) etc. etc. ...maybe the first to write masterpieces that he couldn't listen to...   and never, never he ceased to be the first inspiration to composers after him.

Bach brought to perfection existing musical forms, he is considered, mostly by people who deeply studied music (i got a lot of friends among that kind of peole), the greatest musician ever, but i think they do like to loose themselves in deep technicism... due to his kind of life, after his death was almost forgotten (when baron Van Swieten talked to Mozart about Bach, the fab Wolgang almost never heard about him before )... meanwhile a great innovator like Haydn (he "only" invented symphony, string quartet...) perfectly grew up.

Wagner began to walk a line conducting to Schoenberg and the Wiener Schule... and then to total disintegration of music as kown before.

Berlioz... wrote a very monumental and boring requiem...

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