Porcupine Tree for Eclectic?

^ they were in Psych, which doesn't suit them any better than Heavy, actually I lean toward LiquidEternity's suggestion of Exp/Post Metal.. to be honest I don't really care what category they're in and would be fine with them in Eclectic, if EcTeam wants 'em we'll talk, till then they're fine where they are

They should never have left their original allocation - the change to heavy prog made as much sense as moving Genesis to Prog-Related.

Another thing to consider is that many prog websites adapted to at least multiple genres per artist years ago ... maybe PT are simply both Space Rock, Eclectic and Heavy, and the database is simply too limited to express that.

Incidentally: Progfreak may be the most genre-centric prog website of all, but there are also no genre discussions there ... even among those who contribute regularly :-)

Good to see we agree on something, Harry!

They've already been moved once, from Space/Psych to HP. I don't see how anyone would really benefit from this game of ping-pong. This obsession with the 'perfect fit' is what is keeping dozens of up-and-coming prog bands out of the site, as well as having PA ridiculed around the internet. As a long-time member of this site, I don't like to see comments such as the ones I saw in a thread at Progressive Ears - unfortunately, they were quite true for the most part.

Anyway, while I agree that some form of categorization is useful (libraries would be impossible to use without categories), I can't help feeling that for some members it has become more important than the music itself.

I didn't know I needed an opinions on this:P
But yeah I honestly couldn't care that much either way if they got moved or not, but I know it wont happen anyway.
They got some heavy stuff, leave 'em in heavy prog lol.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: Ricochet wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: ^ so eclectic is more a mood than a style thing? I don't understand the question. The way I understood your post is that PT aren't eclectic to you because darkness and - on the later albums - heaviness are present on most of the albums. I would agree to that these elements are recurring, but still most of their albums contain a broad range of styles. To me, stylistically, they are clearly an eclectic band.

I think I agreed that, as a band, PT's evolution during the career is the greatest lobby for it to be relocated in Eclectic. As far as the albums go, the same level of eclecticness and switchovers can't be found. I fairly anticipate this could be denied by going into details and nuances (you yourself find the opposite, saying make use of a "broad range of styles"), but to me most PT albums can really be labeled in a straight way stylistically, while clearly having a very powerful referential core.

I didn't relate to the dark flavours their music sometimes embrace to dismiss the eclecticness, I argued that those flavours were fully taken in account, when summing up the parts that were found fit for Heavy, and leaving the Crossover/Alternative in second tier. Even with the 90s psych/space and the post-'04 metal and heavy having distinct traits, the two, I repeat, were considered adequate in the same way for Heavy Prog.

Summing up styles without finding a (significant) common denominator leads to Eclectic Prog. For PT as a band, that's fine and makes broad sense. For PT's albums, that's less convincing.

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: Predicting this thread: 1.Will end up in 5+ pages of arguing about this 2. Somehow PT fanboyism will come into it. 3. People will cite more examples of other artists and their albums in the fight for For and Against and it will possibly end up going totally off topic. 4. Someone will get offended, most likely a fanboy or an anti fanboy Absolutely concrete facts: 1. Nothing will change as a result of this thread, the band will stay in Heavy Prog. (2. Fortunately this hasn't made to the second page yet at the time of writing)

Yeah, so far so good, but it will likely happen the way you said it.

Do you have an opinion on this, btw?

I'm not sure if they should be moved, but I wouldn't say they belong in HP... I'd only really say their four latest are heavy prog, and the other 6 aren't really suitable for one genre either.

If anything, I would lean towards moving them to eclectic. I'm no eclectic expert, but I just feel that HP doesn't suit their style... but hey, it's up to the collabs.