Phil Collins (the Drummer)

1, In the beginning, excelent drummer

2, Great singer whe he took over

TamanduaRick wrote: Ian Wallace was a lefty.

Thanks, great catch TamanduRick!  A drummer who's work I really used to enjoy back in the day turns out to have been a lefty.  A glance at the wikipedia page on him shows more albums than I was aware of; an impressively lengthy career.

OK, that's two.  Anyone know of any other great prog skinsters who play from the left side? 

Let's give it some time and, if a challenger cannot be found, declare ol' Collins (who did look something like Cobain, hilarious post) greatest left-handed prog drummer. 

But wait - to be fair, perhaps there are people who have reason to say Wallace was better than Collins.  But with all due respect to the late Mr. Wallace... probably not.  What say you: any other lefties, and was Wallace better?

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Edited by The Doctor - May 05 2009 at 18:50

American Khatru wrote: NOV, you show that you don't know the meaning of Truce, so I guess we have none.

I think you need to re-read my last post because you've completely misinterpreted the tone

I said what I needed to say and then joined you in a truce.

The cheap snipes you like to indulge in, especially by a person who is still unable to respond materially to a word I've said (because it might take reading and comprehension), are transparent.

Crumbs, that's a bit of a shock

I've just re-read my responses and I cannot see how you can label any of those comments as "cheap snipes". I was just correcting your inaccuracies in a friendly manner and actually agreeing with you on certain points. That's all.

I wouldn't let anyone get away with using "Afterglow" and "Your Own Special Way" as examples where Phil Collins' song-writing contributed to the (so called) artistic downfall of Genesis. Was it a "cheap snipe" to correct you on this?

I don't know what it means to "respond materially" but feel free to belittle me about this.

Well, I have to go to work now.

I wish I could. I'm off work with back pain

I don't frankly care if you respond.  I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, your choice

I'm sorry you feel that way.





Edited by Nov - May 05 2009 at 10:00

What are everyone's favorite drum performances from PC?  I think mine would be:

Edited by The Doctor - May 05 2009 at 16:43

American Khatru wrote: Alright, alright. Certain individuals above are unwilling (or whatever) to read the entirety of my uber-post and respond to its challenges (their prerogative), and have grabbed instead onto the very end where I used the word "sellout."  I have rethought the word and it's inappropriate, my error.

Well I'm very pleased to have put you right on that and praise your honesty

Yes, Collins did in fact do what he wanted and became what he really is

Indeed. That's what we're all trying to do in life, surely? It's the only way to find true happiness.

and for my part it bores me

You and he just moved in different directions. Just another fact of life.

And he didn't start this out on his own in '79 (happening onto it, as was claimed), because that wouldn't account for Afterglow

Written by Tony Banks

and Your Own Special Way

Written by Mike Rutherford

Not sure what your point is with mentioning these 2 songs.

He was quite involved with "Blood On The Rooftops" though which for me is a top 10 Genesis track.

If you'd said "Misunderstanding" though, I'd be right there with you. Not with "Please Don't Ask" though coz I quite like that one.

The empy sentiment and uninspired imagery of the lyrics especially make me unable to listen to these any longer

I've always found "Afterglow" very moving. I've got it pencilled in for my funeral

Otherwise I've said all I've got to say.  Truce.

Same here





Edited by Nov - May 05 2009 at 07:50

American Khatru wrote: Alright, alright.  Certain individuals above are unwilling (or whatever) to read the entirety of my uber-post and respond to its challenges (their prerogative), and have grabbed instead onto the very end where I used the word "sellout."  I have rethought the word and it's inappropriate, my error.  Yes, Collins did in fact do what he wanted and became what he really is - and for my part it bores me.  And he didn't start this out on his own in '79 (happening onto it, as was claimed), because that wouldn't account for Afterglow and Your Own Special Way.  The empy sentiment and uninspired imagery of the lyrics especially make me unable to listen to these any longer; the popiness is secondary to this point with those songs.  And before anyone says it, I don't mean that I or anyone else should have a problem with love songs outright. Otherwise I've said all I've got to say.  Truce. Back now to the fact that, as Aginor pointed out when starting this thread, that he was/is an excellent drummer.  Put it this way then: can anyone name a better left hand playing drummer in prog?  I admit I'm not aware of which side every drummer I love plays on (for instance, the great Italians), but it's an interesting thought.  Anyone?...

Excellent drummer.

Nov wrote: American Khatru wrote: In the end though I understand Phil Collins selling out I'm sure he's mighty relieved that you're so understanding In my opinion he simply started writing lots of heartfelt songs in 1979 that loads and loads of people happened to like. He found that he was pretty good at this and so carried on. That is not selling out, it was him being true to himself. Which of us doesn't persue the things we are good at? In his case it brought him fame and fortune. Good luck to him I say.

That's exactly my thoughts. He just started doing that kind of songs by himself and he probably liked the fact that a lot of people liked them, most people like his own music or art to be apreciated, and also he obviously enjoyed what he was doing so he decided to go on that way. And of course he brought some of his influences into Genesis music. I don't think that's selling out at all, it's not as if he was doing something he didn't really like only for the money or the popularity. Just because you don't like the music he did doesn't mean he "sold out".
By the way, I'm not a big fan of his solo career either, in fact I think I didn't like any of it a couple of years ago. Now I really like his first album and a few more songs.
I remember when I got into Gabriel era Genesis, after only hearing some stuff from Invisible Touch and We can't dance and I couldn't believe how different it was, but after hearing all their albums I realised that it's not  that they went pop from one day to the next one, they just evolved into that from album to album, and even in the latest albums there was some prog oriented stuff like Home by the sea, Domino, Fading lights, so I don't understand what's the big deal about their change, lots of bands went in a similar direction withouth being so criticized.

I was almost certain we were talking about the aerobics instructor Phil Collins