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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 11:52
Under the extreme pressures provided by the lead-lined McDonald's to-go coffee cup, in fact water can assume temperatures about 212 F. Of course, when it comes out it then vaporizes (or plasma-izes) perhaps explaining the burns.
 
I should have been a lawyer. Most juries sadly get fooled by pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. All they see is two nerds arguing about things they don't understand, and the only standard they can use to learn about subjects over their heads are "expert witnesses.' You can pay an expert witness to say the sky is purple (well it is some days, pretty).....part of the problem with medical suits...the juries have no knowledge of what's actually being argued.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 11:49
I think David was just being hyperbolic, but that's just me...reports are the coffee in question was about 180-190 deg. F.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 11:45
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well ridiculous lawsuits are not necessarily representative of the vast majority of them, and even some of the legitimate ones will be dismissed.  I remember is the famous McDonalds one where the woman sued over a hot cup of coffee that burned her when she spilled it.  "Insane" most said including me, until I saw the photos of her injury and fond out the coffee had been mistakenly heated to a temperature close to that of the sun.

Coffee can't be heated any more than the temperature of boiling water. And when you make coffee the water is boiling too, so the coffee can not have been unusually hot. It is physically impossible.

Even if  physically possible the amount of energy required for McDonalds to heat water to a temperature within an order of magnitude of the sun would have run them broke. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 11:28
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well ridiculous lawsuits are not necessarily representative of the vast majority of them, and even some of the legitimate ones will be dismissed.  I remember is the famous McDonalds one where the woman sued over a hot cup of coffee that burned her when she spilled it.  "Insane" most said including me, until I saw the photos of her injury and fond out the coffee had been mistakenly heated to a temperature close to that of the sun.

Coffee can't be heated any more than the temperature of boiling water. And when you make coffee the water is boiling too, so the coffee can not have been unusually hot. It is physically impossible.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 11:09
I  think Negoba is getting to the point (or at least my problem with this system).
 
Not to put words in his mouth (so if this is totally opposite of your point please point that out), but the problem as I see it is with the people in the system as opposed to the system itself. Some people just want to screw corporations, some people seems to have sympathy towards others' stupidity, and some people are just igronant and/or stupid. 
 
IMO, the right to sue is a good one, and being able to sue over any little thing is alright, its just we need the proper people in place is ensure stupid claims (such as the one above about the lady spilling the water on the ground) don't make it past filing the claim.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 08:24
Why do people sure?
 
Because there is money to be made.
And it's the U.S.
 
 
 
Part of the problem goes back to basic civics, that you have to have an educated populace for democracy to work. Since we don't, juries can get some very strange combinations of folks. The other is just the vast differential between the poor and the wealthy. Many of the award settlements are just juries feeling like Robin Hood, taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. What's a couple million to McDonald's?
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 08:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

well ridiculous lawsuits are not necessarily representative of the vast majority of them, and even some of the legitimate ones will be dismissed.  I remember is the famous McDonalds one where the woman sued over a hot cup of coffee that burned her when she spilled it.  "Insane" most said including me, until I saw the photos of her injury and fond out the coffee had been mistakenly heated to a temperature close to that of the sun.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 05:52
I read "Who do you sue?" I could have thought of dozens of people. Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 03:14
What the w**ked up press never reports are the counter suites (sic) McDonalds sued the coffee bird and got the money back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 22:46
People sue because they feel they've been wronged. Sometimes they'll take advantage of the system and try to fraud their way into making money and sometimes they will have an actual legitimate reason to start a lawsuit, perhaps to get financial compensation for damage done to property or to themselves.

Such is life.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:32
My favorite crazy one is the thief who broke into someone's house to rob them, fell on a knife, sued the owners of the house and won.  I agree though that there are a lot of legitimate lawsuits, but some have just gotten out of hand, probably because there are so many lawyers that they will try to take any case.  Products need to have all kinds of ridiculous warnings to prevent lawsuits and for people like doctors worrying about getting sued can get in the way of doing their jobs.

The other thing I dont understand is why our legal system will give millions of dollars to a person and their lawyer just to punish a company.  If you are going to hit them with some big punitive damages, that money should go to the government or something.

I welcome someone who knows something about the law to tell us why we are wrong, because I would bet there are strong arguments for things being the way they are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:26
People sue because of greed...no more no less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:22
Why do people sue?  Because people don't have the right to harm others and not suffer the consequences.  Sure, it gets abused.  Every system has its abuses.  But for every absurd lawsuit that somebody wins, there's a hundred cases of someone rightfully receiving reimbursement for damages from somebody's malicious or negligent behavior.  It's just not as newsworthy.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:21
well ridiculous lawsuits are not necessarily representative of the vast majority of them, and even some of the legitimate ones will be dismissed.  I remember is the famous McDonalds one where the woman sued over a hot cup of coffee that burned her when she spilled it.  "Insane" most said including me, until I saw the photos of her injury and fond out the coffee had been mistakenly heated to a temperature close to that of the sun.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2009 at 21:08
It is with great regret i write this post, as it seems suing is a regular pastime. Ameica must take full blame for this ridiculous situation that we find oursleves in.

There is a famous case where a woman in the US poured water over her male partner in a resturant, she then stood up slipped on the water (remember this twit had already poured the same water over her companion) broke her ankle, sued the resturant and won 138000 dollars.

America take a good look at yourselves....

UK and europe.....we're heading down this money for injury route regardless who is to blame.

I hate the whole thing....accidents happen....grow up and get a life.

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