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harmonium.ro 
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 Posted: January 13 2009 at 15:44 |
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^ Remember, I didn't say it's lyrically primitive, but ideologically primitive. From the first two verses of the lyrics it already claims that my Christian Faith in a nonsense made up by my limited thinking. Having lived in a country where faith (of any kind) was forbidden, I find it repulsive and feel like throwing up. I don't mind spiritual skepticism and virtuous atheism, but that's something totally different.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 10:31 |
 Swan Song wrote:
I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered.
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I guess you speak Italian. Please give us some examples of primitivity (translated in English). What is the ideological message of the album?
When I learned Italian (though only in a short period of time, and I was not a good pupil, so I "parlo italiano ma brutto" , I should say bruttissimo ), my teacher, natural born Italian, told me Banco lyrics are excellent and often complex.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:49 |
Guys what do you think about this Osanna track: Everybody Gonna See You Die.
Quintessential to me!!!
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:46 |
ah, ok
Listen to their first album and Io Sono Nato Libero.
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darksideof
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:32 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
darksideof wrote:
Swan Song wrote:
^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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it is all a matter of taste.. Just like food. Some people likes meat and some don't. I particularly Love Banco ( and maybe I am a ignorant like many Italian Prog fans that don't understand the language  ) but I surely love the melodies that their brains create through their instruments. However I do remember very clearly not having this profound love for banco when I first heard them. I dislike the vocals and the sound quality of the albums were poor, However their sound grew on me so much that is one fav of the Italian's Prog scene and also their re-master albums had helped tremendously.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 08:23 |
williamthepimp wrote:
HI Guys, I saw - many many years ago - one of the first italian concerts of PFM (they were the support for the Colosseum tour) - New Trolls - Orme.
Italian prog is very great and bands like Osanna - New Trolls - Orme (the last "Live in Pensilvanya" is very amazing) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Formula 3 and all the others are very very fantastic. Also today this music is incredible if you think that many of them were playing in tellers.
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I think you're Right.  And also feel so fresh and novel with now listening to older Italian stuffs.
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williamthepimp
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 06:57 |
HI Guys, I saw - many many years ago - one of the first italian concerts of PFM (they were the support for the Colosseum tour) - New Trolls - Orme.
Italian prog is very great and bands like Osanna - New Trolls - Orme (the last "Live in Pensilvanya" is very amazing) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Formula 3 and all the others are very very fantastic. Also today this music is incredible if you think that many of them were playing in tellers.
Long life (live) to Italian Prog.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:26 |
Banco has often changed the theme song... in 'Darwin!' did a tribute to Charles Darwin... Logical having to go against religion... Then I moved to the policy... And in the debut album spoke of fantasy themes...They have composed a magnificent OST... Shortened the name went to play (and composing) great POP... Then Banco returned to Prog... As PFM and New Trolls... Then... I would say that all the albums of Banco deserve (each in its own way) to be in a complete Prog discography!
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:18 |
darksideof wrote:
Swan Song wrote:
^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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it is all a matter of taste.. Just like food. Some people likes meat and some don't. I particularly Love Banco ( and maybe I am a ignorant like many Italian Prog fans that don't understand the language ) but I surely love the melodies that their brains create through their instruments. However I do remember very clearly not having this profound love for banco when I first heard them. I dislike the vocals and the sound quality of the albums were poor, However their sound grew on me so much that is one fav of the Italian's Prog scene and also their re-master albums had helped tremendously.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:16 |
Raff wrote this interesting post in another IP thread:
''Just to debunk a myth about Italians being always sunny and cheerful (I can assure you it's far from true, especially nowadays), RPI albums can be pretty depressing stuff, especially in a lyrical sense. One of the subgenre's masterpieces, Jumbo's Vietato ai minori di 18 anni?, has some of the saddest lyrics I've ever heard. Every time I listen to the opening track, "Specchio", it makes me want to cry.''
This is another aspect of IP!
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 13 2009 at 01:42 |
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Swan Song wrote:
^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is great  |
As a prog-fan I always come back to an album I didn't like and give it several chances, just like it I did with Pawn Hearts for example - I found it horrible at the beginning, now I love it. I would do that too for Banco, I'd try acquire that taste - but the message will always put me off even before starting. BTW I am talking about Darwin and it's anti-religious subject. What are their other albums about?
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 18:11 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
One thing that is affecting me in listening to the Italian Prog is the note that, in general, the album of the 70's have aged really good. This is another strong point of the IP.
Another strong point is that there are dozens and dozens of groups that have used the Prog to contaminate their POP... And as in the case of Alunni Del Sole succeeded in creating a style that is not POPand not Prog! (P.s.: I think that Alunni Del Sole are not a simple POP band... But another example of the variegated Italian Prog world).
Very often we are led to believe that the Italian Prog has copied the English Prog... But we are sure that the Jazz Rock Fusion that was produced in Italy in the 70's is not personal? I think that the answer is yes. And in that sense I think I see in the fusion between Byzantine music and Jazz Rock (typical of Italian Jazz Rock Fusion of 70's) one of the first examples of Ethno Jazz! |
At the same time, I consider recently some of Modern Italian Progressive Rock groups can have the Italian Prog Spirit and their identity, not fully-influenced by English Prog.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 15:06 |
Swan Song wrote:
^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is great
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darksideof
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:48 |
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Swan Song wrote:
As you can see from my avatar I am a PFM lover. 
Unfortunately, the only other Italian bands I heard are Banco (hated it) |
Why you hate a wonderful band??? |
I was thinking the samething.. Alberto.....
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darksideof
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:48 |
Swan Song wrote:
^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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it is all a matter of taste.. Just like food. Some people likes meat and some don't. I particularly Love Banco ( and maybe I am a ignorant like many Italian Prog fans that don't understand the language ) but I surely love the melodies that their brains create through their instruments. However I do remember very clearly not having this profound love for banco when I first heard them. I dislike the vocals and the sound quality of the albums were poor, However their sound grew on me so much that is one fav of the Italian's Prog scene and also their re-master albums had helped tremendously.
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http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/
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darksideof
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:41 |
DamoXt7942 wrote:
darksideof wrote:
ME Toooooo.
I am falling in love all over again... since last years new discoveries....
Fav so far...
Osanna
Goblin
alphataurus
L'uovo di colombo
Zauber...... |
So glad!  |
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http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:39 |
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^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 13:22 |
Swan Song wrote:
As you can see from my avatar I am a PFM lover.
Unfortunately, the only other Italian bands I heard are Banco (hated it) |
Why you hate a wonderful band???
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:35 |
One thing that is affecting me in listening to the Italian Prog is the note that, in general, the album of the 70's have aged really good. This is another strong point of the IP.
Another strong point is that there are dozens and dozens of groups that have used the Prog to contaminate their POP... And as in the case of Alunni Del Sole succeeded in creating a style that is not POPand not Prog! (P.s.: I think that Alunni Del Sole are not a simple POP band... But another example of the variegated Italian Prog world).
Very often we are led to believe that the Italian Prog has copied the English Prog... But we are sure that the Jazz Rock Fusion that was produced in Italy in the 70's is not personal? I think that the answer is yes. And in that sense I think I see in the fusion between Byzantine music and Jazz Rock (typical of Italian Jazz Rock Fusion of 70's) one of the first examples of Ethno Jazz!
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:20 |
darksideof wrote:
ME Toooooo.
I am falling in love all over again... since last years new discoveries....
Fav so far...
Osanna
Goblin
alphataurus
L'uovo di colombo
Zauber...... |
So glad!
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