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Meddler
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 00:12 |
{{Originally posted by Meddler
Prog Rock:
Close To the Edge
Selling England By The Pound
Wish You Were Here <---- best out of these 3}}
[ (Ghandi 2) I agree, but I think DSOTM is better for a new person. I think I would have gotten bored during SOYCD if I hadn't listened to DSOTM first, although I don't really know. The same applies for SEBTP I guess.
Basically, no matter what you do, buy Dark Side of the Moon :D]
I can see what you mean about SEBTP, but I liked it on first listen quite a bit and loved it on second. Even though it was my very first Genesis album. Just bought it today.
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Progger
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 00:03 |
ELP-BRAIN SALAD SUGERY
YES-CLOSE TO THE EDGE
PINK FLOYD-WISH YOU WERE HERE
YES-RELAYER
SPOCKS BEARD-SNOW
Their you have the cream of progressive music!
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 00:00 |
Well I'd try Phish, a poprular indie group, Krautrock groups, Can, Faust and Neu!, King Crimson albums Larks tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bibleblack and Red. All thses groups have had (excapt maybe Phish because they are in the indie scene) a tremendous impact on the underground scene of the 90s and today. Also Van der Graft Generator; Still Life, Pawn Hearts and H to he who am the only one
In terms of Jazz Mahavishnu Orchestras albums; Inner Mounting Flame and Birds of Fire.
For more popular prog groups go for Jethro Tull; Aqualung, Benefit and Thick as a Brick,
Yes; Fragile and Close to the Edge and the Yes Album
Genesis; Selling England by the Pound and Foxtrot.
Well there are tons of others and I went over five but try one from each genre and see what you like.
But here are my five:
Can Tago Mago
Faust IV
King Crimson; Larks Tongues in Aspic
Mahavishnu Orchestra; Birds of Fire
Genesis; Foxtrot or Yes; Fragile.
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 13 2006 at 00:14
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:59 |
lastdodobird wrote:
I changed the title to more encompassing of prog rock as a whole :) It's probably easier that way without the 'metal' confusion :)
Oh, and I have listened to DSotM already... actually years ago... and I remember being pretty indifferent about most of the album except "Great Gig in the Sky", which I thought was an awesome, awesome track.
I better listen to the album again. |
You should listen to it again, but since you have already heard it I instead recommend Wish You Were Here instead. And since you like GYBE, I highly recommend it; as I'm sure you know, GYBE are incredibly influenced by Floyd. Or so I'm told; I haven't listened to much of them.
The top 100 is good, although I don't like how much emphasis the number of votes gets (CTTE is number one, but the 5 albums below it have a higher average), although I see why it's necessary. (to prevent albums which have 1 five star rating from being number one) Sometimes though a lower album is actually one that I like more, for whatever reason. For example, IMO, Relayer stomps Close to the Edge into the ground.
Just to tell you, I really don't like CTTE or ITCOTCK, but I'm in the minority by far. So maybe you'll like it.
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:51 |
The Miracle wrote:
lastdodobird wrote:
Ooohh.. and I just noticed that there's a "Top 100: Prog Archives most popular titles" section on the front page... I guess I could rely on that too to some extent huh?
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Definitely. It's a great guide for beginners
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Darn, now I wish I'd seen that section before creating this thread. Now I sound so redundant. Anyway, this discussion might still bring up a lot of interesting things not included in the prog top 100 list. Re: Pink Floyd. Yeah, I'll be trying my luck with Wish You Were Here instead of DSotM. Thanks!
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
Its a hard one to figure out, because a lot of
prog can be hard going, what music do you listen to now? if it is Jazz,
try Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return Forever and King Crimson's album
Lizard.
If you like easy listening try Camel Snow Goose and some of Mike Oldfield
If you like metal try the prog metal bands
If you are into sonic Youth and alternative bands of the 90s I'd recommend Kraut Rock
If you like comedy in you're music try Primus and Frank Zappa.
There are hundreds of other possibilities, but tell us tastes,
because the best place3 to start can be what you're most familiar with,
because prog is a very broad style of music unlike say hip hop or punk,
a lot of bands sound completely different, and some you mind find
terrible but after some serious listening you may love. So what do you
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Well, my musical taste is really, really very broad. I love jazz, classical and rock music in genral - also metal. I don't go for most mainstream acts because most of them have honestly started to bore me (although some, like the new Red Hot Chili Peppers album is somewhat ok). I'm more into the indie rock genre. However, for the past few months, what's really been floating my boat is post-rock/instrumental rock/math rock: Like Mogwai, Explosions In The Sky, Don Caballero, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, and the like. I find the genre very aurally stimulating I don't know if this would help, but I've got a last.fm profile --> http://www.last.fm/user/lastdodobird/
Edited by lastdodobird - May 12 2006 at 23:56
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Zoso
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:48 |
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
Yes - Fragile
Genesis - Foxtrot
Emerson Lake and Palmer - Emerson Lake and Palmer
Rush - Moving Pictures
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Man With Hat
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:44 |
1. Foxtrot- Genesis
2. Close To The Edge- Yes
3. Brain Salad Surgery- ELP
4. In The Court Of The Crimson King- King Crimson
5. Animals- Pink Floyd
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:43 |
Its a hard one to figure out, because a lot of prog can be hard going, what music do you listen to now? if it is Jazz, try Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return Forever and King Crimson's album Lizard.
If you like easy listening try Camel Snow Goose and some of Mike Oldfield
If you like metal try the prog metal bands
If you are into sonic Youth and alternative bands of the 90s I'd recommend the Kraut Rock bands like Can and Faust
If you like comedy in you're music try Primus and Frank Zappa.
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 12 2006 at 23:47
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:40 |
lastdodobird wrote:
Oh, and I have listened to DSotM already... actually years ago... and I remember being pretty indifferent about most of the album except "Great Gig in the Sky", which I thought was an awesome, awesome track.
I better listen to the album again.
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It's quite poppy and overrated IMO... listen to Wish You Were Here and Animals, those are true masterpieces. If you like them, you might want to try some of Floyd's earlier stuff: Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, Ummagumma(VERY avnt garde and weird, that's why it's my favorite album of theirs but many people hate it, so be careful with that one)
lastdodobird wrote:
Ooohh.. and I just noticed that there's a "Top 100: Prog Archives most popular titles" section on the front page... I guess I could rely on that too to some extent huh?
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Definitely. It's a great guide for beginners
Edited by The Miracle - May 12 2006 at 23:40
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KazimirMajorinc
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:36 |
Pink Floyd - Meddle Omega - Time Robber Triumvirat - Spartacus ELP - Brain Salad Surgery King Crimson - In the Court of The Crimson King
All five very accessible masterpieces.
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laplace
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:20 |
definetly: Etron Fou Leloublan - Batelages Can - Tago Mago Fantomas - Delirium Cordia Univers Zero - 1313 Shub-Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vites starting with easy stuff is for newbies. A less sarcastic list would look more like this: King Crimson - Red Genesis - Nursery Cryme Yes - The Yes Album Rush - Moving Pictures and if possible, Semiramis - Semiramis (to touch on the equally virtuous italian scene)
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:13 |
I changed the title to more encompassing of prog rock as a whole :) It's probably easier that way without the 'metal' confusion :)
Oh, and I have listened to DSotM already... actually years ago... and I remember being pretty indifferent about most of the album except "Great Gig in the Sky", which I thought was an awesome, awesome track.
I better listen to the album again.
Ooohh.. and I just noticed that there's a "Top 100: Prog Archives most popular titles" section on the front page... I guess I could rely on that too to some extent huh?
Edited by lastdodobird - May 12 2006 at 23:17
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HeirToRuin
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:12 |
Yay I get to recommend favorite things...one album by each...
Classic prog rock...
Yes - Relayer
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Genesis - Foxtrot
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Camel - Camel
Prog Metal...
Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Newer prog albums...
Marillion - Marbles
King Crimson - The Power To Believe
The Mars Volta - Frances The Mute
VanDerGraaf Generator - Present
Meshuggah - Catch 33
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 23:08 |
Meddler wrote:
Prog Rock: Close To the Edge Selling England By The Pound Wish You Were Here <---- best out of these 3
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I agree, but I think DSOTM is better for a new person. I think I would have gotten bored during SOYCD if I hadn't listened to DSOTM first, although I don't really know. The same applies for SEBTP I guess.
Basically, no matter what you do, buy Dark Side of the Moon :D
The Miracle wrote:
Symphonic: Yes - Close To The Edge I must advise strongly against CTTE if you are unitiated. Hell, I'm initiated (I guess) and I still don't like it.
Genesis - Foxtrot
ELP - Brain Salad Sirgery
Canterbury: Don't go here unless you like Jazz and can tolerate some weirdness. Gong - You Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink Soft Machine - Third
Art Rock:
King Crimson - Red Gentle Giant - Octopus Tread carefully. Van Der Graaf - Pawn Hearts Oh my. Hammil's voice plus VdDG's unique nature (they do not employ a guitarist: they have a saxophone player, a drummer, and 2 keyboardists) may be too much for you. Or maybe not.
RIO/Avant-prog This stuff is really weird. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante Zappa - Hot Rats Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica |
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Meddler
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:52 |
Prog Rock:
Close To the Edge
Selling England By The Pound
Wish You Were Here <---- best out of these 3
Thick as a Brick
And now I'm going to list one of the BEST albums of the 00's: Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:50 |
I'll give you three from the most essential subgenres: Symphonic: - Yes - Close To The Edge
- Genesis - Foxtrot
- ELP - Brain Salad Sirgery
Prog Metal: - Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
- Pain Of Salvation - The Perfect Element Part 1
- Tool - Lateralus
Canterbury: - Gong - You
- Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
- Soft Machine - Third
Art Rock: - King Crimson - Red
- Gentle Giant - Octopus
- Van Der Graaf - Pawn Hearts
RIO/Avant-prog - Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante
- Zappa - Hot Rats
- Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:49 |
Welcome to the forum!
Do you mean the 5 most essential 5 albums from either the genre of prog rock or prog metal? I don't know much about prog metal, but I can give you 5 prog rock:
Thick As A Brick--Jethro Tull
Dark Side of the Moon--Pink Floyd (If you like it get Animals--especially if you like heaver, darker stuff--and also Wish You Were Here)
Selling England by the Pound--Genesis (If you like it get Foxtrot)
Fragile--Yes (If you like it get Relayer. I actually haven't heard this one, but I've heard it's very acessible, and I can't bring myself to recommend Relayer to someone new to prog; if I hadn't been prepared earlier I might not have liked it. Avoid Close to the Edge!)
Brain Salad Surgery--ELP (Replace this with some Rush if you can't stand bombast and a 30 minute epic.)
That's pretty much the most famous classic prog. Some of those might require a little work to "get", but that should get you started nicely.
Because of your metal interest, I know somebody is going to recommend Rush. They're great writers, but listen a sample before you buy: Geddy's voice is...uh...unique on most of their albums. So unique that I can't stand to listen to them.
I also would advise against The Court...; some people really love it, but I personally can't understand why. As much as it pains me to say this, I would recommend that you download the song 21st Century Schizoid Man from iTunes or something and leave it at that for a while. It's a good song, but I find the rest of the album to be extremely uneven. If it had been my first prog CD I don't think I would have gotten into prog (unless I decided afterwards to buy DSOTM).
Edited by Ghandi 2 - May 12 2006 at 22:57
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:48 |
Progressive Rock (in no order):
Genesis: Foxtrot King Crimson: Larks Tongues in Aspic Magma - MDK
Pendragon - The Masquerade Overture
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Progressive Metal (in no order):
Pain of Salvation: The perfect Element Pt. 1
Dream Theater: Awake
Dream Theater: Scenes from a Memory
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* Due to limited knowledge of Prog Metal, I can't really give any more.
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:44 |
thanks. glad to be here :) maybe if I get enough replies, I could compile them and post the overall results...
...although I would think that's already been done before?
anyway, thanks for the quick reply!
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Arsillus
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Posted: May 12 2006 at 22:40 |
First, welcome to the forum!
Second, for me:
Prog
1. Foxtrot- Genesis
2. A Farewell To Kings - Rush
3. Relayer - Yes
4. Thick As A Brick - Jethro Tull
5. In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson
I'm not one for Prog Metal, so I'll leave that to the Progtologist.
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