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Sasquamo 
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 Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:15 |
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I can't believe all the "yes" votes. Led Zeppelin has a couple of albums that might pass as prog-related because they have like, three sort-of-prog songs, but even if you do call it prog, it's very simple, bad prog that everyone would hate if it wasn't Led Zeppelin playing it. This is not one of those albums. There is not a single song that has anything to do with prog on this album: Black Dog, Rock and Roll, are you kidding me? even Stairway to Heaven has a simple, verse-chorus structure, not to mention an embellished melody from another band's song. People call it prog because it's long (but it's also boring).
I vote "NO!!!" like everyone on this prog site should. It's okay to like Led Zeppelin, but just because you like them doesn't mean you get to call them prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 17:04 |
^ just a reminder: "prog-related" does not mean "prog". You're mixing up the terms in your post. And I'm pretty sure that most of the people who voted "yes" did not so because of Rock and Roll. 
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 10 2006 at 17:09
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:59 |
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I can't believe all the "yes" votes. Led Zeppelin has a couple of albums that might pass as prog-related because they have like, three sort-of-prog songs, but even if you do call it prog, it's very simple, bad prog that everyone would hate if it wasn't Led Zeppelin playing it. This is not one of those albums. There is not a single song that has anything to do with prog on this album: Black Dog, Rock and Roll, are you kidding me? even Stairway to Heaven has a simple, verse-chorus structure, not to mention an embellished melody from another band's song. People call it prog because it's long (but it's also boring).
I vote "NO!!!" like everyone on this prog site should. It's okay to like Led Zeppelin, but just because you like them doesn't mean you get to call them prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 14:09 |
I'm actually quite happy with how the poll turned out ... I just wanted to see whether some people agree that while Led Zeppelin is not a prog band, the songs on LZ IV exhibit many prog characteristics. 
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Peter
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:48 |
Hildegard Von Bingen next! 
Rock on -- ooo my soul! 
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 10 2006 at 13:48
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Peter
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:44 |
Abstrakt wrote:
So now deep purple, black sabbath, jimi hendrix, the doors etc. are prog? |
 No. They're related, you know, like the way you're related to some single-celled organism named Bob that once drifted about in the primordial ooze.... 
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 10 2006 at 13:45
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:32 |
So now deep purple, black sabbath, jimi hendrix, the doors etc. are prog?
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Drew
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:29 |
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Peter
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:29 |
All older rock (especially the stuff WE like) is "prog related."
It's the genre that does not exist. Way too broad -- I think it stinks. It's the genre that lets us list all of the "better" old rock bands here. But WHY? 
To me, if we must have such a vague, catch-all category, the "relationships" to prog should be found along lines of personel (he played with Fripp, etc.), not "prog fans would probably like this too" or "we don't really know what prog is, but if you squinch your eyes up, this kind of looks like it, whatever it is." 
I love LZ IV, though! I really don't care if it's "related" to Fripp's left nut -- I can "relate" to it!
Boxes, boxes -- we need more boxes....
 Nail it in place -- don't let it get away! Slay the slippery art beast with words! Measure it! Weigh it! Pontificate upon it! Quantify and categorize it for all time!
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 10 2006 at 13:30
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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gong
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 01:27 |
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yes, Led Zeppelin IV is prog related album, IMO.
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Bilek
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 10:50 |
Prog (related) or not... It's certainly a masterpiece!!!!!!!!
and I believe it's a must have for many progheads, especially Symphonic Prog, Heavy Prog (I did not make this genre up, it's there!!!) and Prog Metal heads...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Abstrakt
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 10:16 |
Nope, LZIV is a classic rock album.
Just because it's influenced by other genres and a bit progressive doesn't mean it's prog!
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 10:14 |
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LED ZEPPELIN is a Prog Related band!!!
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Uther
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 10:13 |
Absolutly right
I think this album presents various elements that you can think like a how a hard rock band go toward prog...with a folk component ( they first essay was N III) , but they reach a peak with this mixture in Physsical 
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What! can the devil speak true?
Macbeth, 1. 3
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Fede
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 20:27 |
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I would say that it is a prog related album....
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The Wizard
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 19:52 |
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Battle of Evermore and Stairway to Heaven are pure prog, and the rest of it pure classic rock music.
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Fassbinder
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 19:47 |
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...at least...
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Philéas
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:03 |
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Yes. Because:
Stairway to Heaven and The Battle of Evermore are prog songs
Going to California and When the Levee Breaks have hints of prog in
them, and the riff in Black Dog very sophisticated, compared to other
songs at the time.
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the icon of sin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 09:07 |
Snow Dog wrote:
OT Räihälä wrote:
Quite simply: no. Zeppelin IV is not prog related. It's blues related rock, whereas i.e. LZ I is rock related blues. |
So what about the Folk? |
Yeah, there's hardly any blues in LZ IV...Maybe bits of "When the Levee Breaks" but no more.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 03:11 |
"I think my original statement was pretty accurate; there are but 2 parts to Stairway."
That's just ridiculous and somewhat destroys your credibility as an musical expert for me. Can you explain to me what defines a "part" then? Even the chord progressions are different.
Well - I guess that either you are right or the dozens of songbooks ...
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