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Waters seems to be against religion most of the time (Time, lots of The Final Cut, and I'm sure parts of his solo albums). I find attacks annoying, but maybe that's because I'm Catholic.

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

I know this is going back a bit in the thread, but Jesus was a real person. Now in life He would have actually been called Joshua bin Joseph, or something like that; Jesus is the Greek-ized version.
Obviously the miracles and such are open to debate, but He (perhaps technically the apostles) started the Catholic Church. (and it's a good thing too. More explanation can be given on that if desired.) He was executed by the Romans, and the calendar was later changed to reflect His birth. Now the mathematicians got it wrong by about 4 years, but nevermind about that. :)
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I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

 
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Originally posted by Blackleaf Blackleaf wrote:


The only song that spring to mind is Dream Theaters In the Name of God as being pretty anti-religion.

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I agree this is a hard topic to talk about without offending anyone. It is also hard because you don't know if the information you are reading is actually true. In the Name of God is NOT an anti-religious song. It is only against cults and religions who do voilent acts in the name of God. John Petrucci, who wrote the lyrics, is a strong Catholic and his religious beliefs are shown in songs such as voices, scarred and the spirit carries on. Also, I don't think anyone in DT is an athiest, as John petrucci is Christian, James Labrie is Christian (for example, Blind Faith), John myung has stated his biggest influence is Jesus, and both Jordan rudess and Mike portnoy are Jewish.
 
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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Rush does have some humanistic/secular lyrics I found Permanent Waves to be the case, but doesn't Geddy Lee wear the Star of David around his neck, whether for cultural or religious I don't know.

Yes seem to believe in everything, while Rick Wakeman left because he thought they had become too new age, which is funny since I saw a Rick Wakeman "new age" CD in a bargain bin in a music store, it was all about star signs etc.

 Jethro Tull was not anti-christian, just against the church institution. If you listen to aqualung you will find out he is very explicit in his faith God.

 

Peart is an athiest for sure. Many Rush lyrics are inspired by the writing of Ayn Rand who was very much an athiest, as the main peddler of her 'Objectivism' philosphy, there was no room for 'blind faith' in her ideas.

Although Geddy is Jewish, I dont think he practices Judaism.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Zappa here.

"Dumb All Over"
"The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing"
"Heavenly Bank Account"
Are all aimed at the religious.

And Todd Rundgren's "Eastern Intrigue" could put him on the list.
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DEICIDE
just joking

Ok, let me see...
Maybe

ATHEIST
CYNIC
SADIST (nice names aren't they? )
THEORY IN PRACTICE
SPIRAL ARCHITECT
MEKONG DELTA
WATCHTOWER
also TOOL has pretty anti-religious song Opiate, but it's not against God but church.

these bands seem atheists.
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I'm Agnostic. But I consider myself as close to an atheist as one can be, withought actually being one.

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I'm an atheist scientist in my real life.

The most obvious choice to me is Pain of Salvation. 
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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

 Jethro Tull was not anti-christian, just against the church institution. If you listen to aqualung you will find out he is very explicit in his faith God.

 



Yeah, and Back-door Angels definitely seems to mock God (or people's perceptions of God): "Think I'll sit down and invent some fool, some grand court jester."
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Rush does have some humanistic/secular lyrics I found Permanent Waves to be the case, but doesn't Geddy Lee wear the Star of David around his neck, whether for cultural or religious I don't know.

Yes seem to believe in everything, while Rick Wakeman left because he thought they had become too new age, which is funny since I saw a Rick Wakeman "new age" CD in a bargain bin in a music store, it was all about star signs etc.

 Jethro Tull was not anti-christian, just against the church institution. If you listen to aqualung you will find out he is very explicit in his faith God.

 
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Rush lyrics piont toward something like atheism. At least towards anti-organized religion. Also Jethro Tull has some anti religious(christian?) sentiments.  Yes might be atheists or devout christians...who can tell with those lyrics! I am an existentialist but I tend towards atheism.
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Points: 881 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2006 at 23:24
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Wow! I would have never Gilmour was an atheist.

 I always assume everyone believes in something, even if it is money or power, etc.


I know, I found it surprising too. Here is a quote from MOJO Magazine Interview
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OK. But are you religious?

No, Atheist. I've never had religion. I'd preffer it if I did really. Even as a boy I just couldn't make myself believe. Mortality was on my mind since I was 13.

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Wow! I would have never Gilmour was an atheist.

 I always assume everyone believes in something, even if it is money or power, etc.
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David Gilmour is an atheist, as he stated in a recent interview for On An Island. Also you can tell by his lyrics in This Heaven, "So break the bread and pour the wine/I need no blessings but I'm counting mine."
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:44
^ Yeah those lyrics.......make it......a little obvious
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Originally posted by coffeeintheface coffeeintheface wrote:

Originally posted by Slayer! Slayer! wrote:

I was just wondering, are there any atheist prog bands? There has to be some.

Oh and I assume Opeth and Meshuggah are....so don't say them. While on the topic, is anyone here Atheist?

I don't know what made me think of this one...boredom i guess.



Yeah, look up the lyrics to Meshuggah's "Terminal Illusions." It seems that lead singer Jens Kidman is an uber-athiest, haha. I don't know if you could speak for the rest of the band though. As for Opeth, I have no clue, given that I haven't even heard their music.
 

Yeah those are the exact lyrics I was thinking of when I said the Meshuggah lyricist is mostly likely atheist.  http://www.meshuggah.net/disco/dei/08/index.html
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Points: 397 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:36
Originally posted by Slayer! Slayer! wrote:

I was just wondering, are there any atheist prog bands? There has to be some.

Oh and I assume Opeth and Meshuggah are....so don't say them. While on the topic, is anyone here Atheist?

I don't know what made me think of this one...boredom i guess.



Yeah, look up the lyrics to Meshuggah's "Terminal Illusions." It seems that lead singer Jens Kidman is an uber-athiest, haha. I don't know if you could speak for the rest of the band though. As for Opeth, I have no clue, given that I haven't even heard their music.
 
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Points: 1751 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:24

Originally posted by int_2375 int_2375 wrote:

I have no intention of drawing you into a debate of whether Jesus existed, the fact is nobody knows for sure, but we're pretty damn sure the Beatles existed.  That was my only point.  There's nothing contentious about the fact that we don't know whether there was a Jesus.

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I have no intention of drawing you into a debate of whether Jesus existed, the fact is nobody knows for sure, but we're pretty damn sure the Beatles existed.  That was my only point.  There's nothing contentious about the fact that we don't know whether there was a Jesus.
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Originally posted by int_2375 int_2375 wrote:

This is just something I've noticed, but alot of musicians tend not to associate themselves with any particular religion, especially many prog musicians.  Some are agnostic, some atheist.  Considering some of Meshuggah's lyrics, the writer of the lyrics was probably one of the two.  I know the members of Tool say they do not associate with any religion.  The band Atheist is mostly likely atheist...

I don't know for sure, it seems religous beliefs aren't a common topic in prog as they are in metal.

Lyrics like "Imagine there is no heaven, no hell below us." from John Lennon and the lyrics to Tool's Parabol/a seem to suggest one form of atheism or another, althought there are other ways to read it. 

Cheesecakemouse, you have to take into account that Jesus is a mythical figure, and in the sense that we know the Beatles existed, they are better.

 Sorry that is too contentious for me to answer, there is too much debate in the intellectual world whether Jesus existed or mythical, I don't wish to get drawn into long winded debate over the existence of Christ, this is beyond the scope of the forum.

Anyway I theink Magma was quite religious with the wholoe kobian thing

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