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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:


Anything by Camel, with painful honesty, I find it trite and dull....



Anything?!
While there are a couple of teir albums that don't do much for me and a couple of uneven albums, "trite and dull" Camel is not.
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Anything by Jethro Tull.
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ELP-Brain Salad Surgery-believe me, I have tried, but it doesn't jive with me the way their previous albums do...

Anything by Camel, with painful honesty, I find it trite and dull....

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The problem with Neal Morse is that if you listened to one of his albums, you've listened to most. He's become way too predictable (for me at least).
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Can't stomach is a really strong term and music that causes that visceral a reaction (say, makes me want to vomit) I have not listened to whole albums by. And I have a very high tolerance for bad music and films (love those of the so bad they're good variety) and have witnessed/ heard some very horrible things in my life.

Here are two albums I actually bought but actively disliked:
Spock's Beard - Snow
Transatlantic - SMPTe or was it Bridge Across Forever (I gave both of these to a friend)

In general I am not fan of Neo-Prog (unless Duster actually counts as Neo-Prog which it does not for me), Progressive Metal or modern Symph Prog acts, and AORish music (kinds of melodic rock and metal). Still, I can enjoy some Dream Theater, some Marillion and IQ, even some Spock's Beard. I guess "things Neal Morse" come closest to not being able to stomach them. I know lots of people love his music, and some of it is fine with me, and that others like it is fine with me. No offence to the artist or artistry intended.



I can only stomach Neal Morse in small doses. I own one Spock's Beard album, one Neal Morse album, and Transatlantica's live DVD.
I'm fine with Morse's lyrics. It's the music that annoys me after a while.
I like the first 10-20 minutes of Morse...followed by diminished returns.
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As for not Rock Bottom Robert Wyatt, I find this beautiful, but of course tastes vary:

"Maryan" off the album Shleep.

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Can't stomach is a really strong term and music that causes that visceral a reaction (say, makes me want to vomit) I have not listened to whole albums by. And I have a very high tolerance for bad music and films (love those of the so bad they're good variety) and have witnessed/ heard some very horrible things in my life.

Here are two albums I actually bought but actively disliked:
Spock's Beard - Snow
Transatlantic - SMPTe or was it Bridge Across Forever (I gave both of these to a friend)

In general I am not fan of Neo-Prog (unless Duster actually counts as Neo-Prog which it does not for me), Progressive Metal or modern Symph Prog acts, and AORish music (kinds of melodic rock and metal). Still, I can enjoy some Dream Theater, some Marillion and IQ, even some Spock's Beard. I guess "things Neal Morse" come closest to not being able to stomach them. I know lots of people love his music, and some of it is fine with me, and that others like it is fine with me. No offence to the artist or artistry intended.

Edited by Logan - April 16 2025 at 10:34
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


Every Opeth album that features honey monster growls
Anything by Art Zoyd
Anything by Radiohead after OK Computer
Anything by King Crimson after In the Wake of Poseidon
Anything by Robert Wyatt
Anything by Henry Cow
Anything by Magma
Anything by the Cardiacs
Anything by The Mars Volta
Anything by Voivod
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I agree with most of this list.
The exceptions?
I love/like all King Crimson and live Magma DVDs. (I would rather watch/listen to Magma)
I like Robert Wyatt Rock Bottom and Henry Cow- Western Culture. That's it.

I tried embracing the rest of your disliked bands...but they never clicked with me.



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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

CTTE

I have tried and tried and tried

and now given up!


Hi,

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.

I'm not going to be cynical enough to say that my generation was a bunch of stony idiots that didn't care, or give a damn, and there were many that tried HARD to elevate their music to a different level, even as far as the artistic and conceptual arts of the 20th century.

That it might have achieved this, is a topic for discussion, but in the end, the part that is scary is that we have come to be so dependent on folks that are not any better than you or I ... and we think their words are important and more valid than fried rice, or electric macaroni and cheese!

Now, sitting here and thinking that some of those albums are more important than the horrible translations of THE BOOK ... in their lyrics, is a bit too much and very silly, and while I am not going to state that it is all meaningless (that would reflect on us, btw!!!) ... there are times when you have to step back and look at things ... a bit more than you do!

After all, Mona Lisa is a bird brain ... and guess what? We're no better? Go ahead, and live by Jon or Ian or Bono, or anyone else ... you're just going to hit your head on many brick walls ... so in a sense, that Admin was right ... almost all of the stuff here is just pop music, and there is no reason to treat it any better than that!

But don't be silly and ignore that there are many pearls amidst all the swine ... and we're ignoring them for empty words and comments!


I don’t really understand why you said all this in response to my post, which was simple, I just don’t like it! For me it’s (nearly) always about the music, and I don’t like the music on that album….
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:


Several people have mentioned Radiohead, and I'll admit that I have never made it all the way through OK Computer. For me they were briefly interesting circa Kid A/Amnesiac, but everything else either leaves me cold or I actively dislike it.


Just like Muse, I only really got into a couple of albums of Radiohead; but Kid A is the album that got me to reconsider OKC (but not The Bends) - enough for me to own it still nowadays.

As for Muse, Absolution & Black Holes are the only one I enjoyed back then, and Abso (and Kid A) are the only one I spin every half-decade or so.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?


Hi,

Yes I do, and I will respect his comments to the end ... many times he posted things really well and detailed. Even as an "opponent" he deserves the respect!


As long as you have represented him accurately, I don't think he would mind you saying the name. Do you mean Dean? If you do, then I would think there would be very specific context to those statements that are important to take into consideration. The Special Collaborator Micky has also maybe made some similar comments... Both much missed by me, by the way. Context and accuracy matters, as well as evidence.

For myself, that is an album that I have struggled with (never been a favourite of mine). I have no issue with thinking of it as pop as in popular music rather than certain genre implications, but "just" pop would need clarification for me. As for "none of it meant anything anyway". I would imagine too that there would be a very specific context to that if he did say that. It sounds nihilistic to me taken on its own, or comparative/ relative. It matters to individuals, how much in the grand scheme of things I don't know.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?


Hi,

Yes I do, and I will respect his comments to the end ... many times he posted things really well and detailed. Even as an "opponent" he deserves the respect!
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^ Regarding Close to the Edge.

Originally posted by Moshkito Moshkito wrote:

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.


Do you recall which Admin stated that?
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

CTTE

I have tried and tried and tried

and now given up!


Hi,

A while back on PA there was an Admin that stated that it was all just pop music, and that none of it meant anything whatsoever.

I'm not going to be cynical enough to say that my generation was a bunch of stony idiots that didn't care, or give a damn, and there were many that tried HARD to elevate their music to a different level, even as far as the artistic and conceptual arts of the 20th century.

That it might have achieved this, is a topic for discussion, but in the end, the part that is scary is that we have come to be so dependent on folks that are not any better than you or I ... and we think their words are important and more valid than fried rice, or electric macaroni and cheese!

Now, sitting here and thinking that some of those albums are more important than the horrible translations of THE BOOK ... in their lyrics, is a bit too much and very silly, and while I am not going to state that it is all meaningless (that would reflect on us, btw!!!) ... there are times when you have to step back and look at things ... a bit more than you do!

After all, Mona Lisa is a bird brain ... and guess what? We're no better? Go ahead, and live by Jon or Ian or Bono, or anyone else ... you're just going to hit your head on many brick walls ... so in a sense, that Admin was right ... almost all of the stuff here is just pop music, and there is no reason to treat it any better than that!

But don't be silly and ignore that there are many pearls amidst all the swine ... and we're ignoring them for empty words and comments!
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Looking down PA's top 100, the only albums that I actively dislike are by Dream Theater, in particular Scenes From a Memory. I just don't get it. I'm not that familiar with Opeth, but what I have heard hasn't had me reaching for the 'off' switch.

Several people have mentioned Radiohead, and I'll admit that I have never made it all the way through OK Computer. For me they were briefly interesting circa Kid A/Amnesiac, but everything else either leaves me cold or I actively dislike it.
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Anything by 'Opeless', Rush's 70s output (they suddenly went OK in the early 80s) in fact, as soon as the word 'metal' enters the equation, I run a mile.


Hi,

Honestly, I do not have an issue with "metal" ... with one exception ... when it is just a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy kind of thing that just repeats the same thing over and over again. After a while it gets boring and mindless humanoid albino mashmusic for the vaped generation! (... not that we did not ingest anything in the early days ... !!!)
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Anything by 'Opeless', Rush's 70s output (they suddenly went OK in the early 80s) in fact, as soon as the word 'metal' enters the equation, I run a mile.
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Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2
Opeth - Still Life
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Big Big Train - English Electric
Kansas - Leftoverture
Neil Morse - ?
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
Spocks Beard - V
Steely Dan - Aja

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Opeth, The growls just spoil it. Which is a shame. There's actually good music here. I do try to ignore the growls for the music, but the growls are nails on a chalkboard.
Opeth has released 5 album with no growls. What about those?! Smile


Cristi,

Did I mention those Opeth albums in my top 10? And unlike the other bands on my list where I left the impression that I did not much care for those bands, I did no such thing with Opeth.

With Opeth and the Blackwater album that is rated very highly, I pointed out that the growls for me, ruin an album with good music. I think it was their next album, Damnation, Michael Akerfeldt dropped the growls for that album. I actually enjoy that album. Heritage is good too.


I wasn't reproaching you anything, just wanted to know if you listened to those albums.
I guess I didn't word it right


Cristi,

No, it's all good. I was hoping with my original top 10 I was leaving the impression that with Opeth, unlike the others, that they are a band whose music I find to be good. I like much of the music they have put out. The Death growls kill much of that music.
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