Steven Wilson - The Future Bites out today

King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: That's fine, but to write her off as just utter-sh*te is not fair. There are far sh*ttier pop records out there like the Future Bites. I did not say that she's "utter-sh*te" (your words not mine), just that i dislike her. Big difference.  Fair enough, but then why did Steven Wilson cover a song from Taylor Swift's Folklore album?

King of Loss wrote: That's fine, but to write her off as just utter-sh*te is not fair. There are far sh*ttier pop records out there like the Future Bites.

King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: No offense, there's way better pop out there. like what?  It will take a long time to list that, but even the newest two Taylor Swift albums are better than the newest Steven Wilson album. god no...  I used to one of those close-minded people until I branched beyond progressive rock and progressive metal. There's lots of good music out there and the newest two Taylor Swift albums are actually pretty good. Aaron from the National co-wrote those songs and he is an excellent songwriter. I used to think Taylor Swift was utter trash and the two newest albums have convinced me otherwise. I think while she is not a fantastic musician, her newest two records are at least decent. Why would Steven Wilson cover her latest song from Folklore?  I do not listen exclusively to prog (rock and metal) and I listen to all sorts of music, but I will never be able to enjoy some one like Swift. And I tried a little bit. Plus you hear her music without ever wanting to as well.  Then try her two newest records if you are truly open-minded. It is way different than anything she has released.

King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: No offense, there's way better pop out there. like what?  It will take a long time to list that, but even the newest two Taylor Swift albums are better than the newest Steven Wilson album. god no...  I used to one of those close-minded people until I branched beyond progressive rock and progressive metal. There's lots of good music out there and the newest two Taylor Swift albums are actually pretty good. Aaron from the National co-wrote those songs and he is an excellent songwriter. I used to think Taylor Swift was utter trash and the two newest albums have convinced me otherwise. I think while she is not a fantastic musician, her newest two records are at least decent. Why would Steven Wilson cover her latest song from Folklore?

King of Loss wrote: Cristi wrote: King of Loss wrote: No offense, there's way better pop out there. like what?  It will take a long time to list that, but even the newest two Taylor Swift albums are better than the newest Steven Wilson album.

King of Loss wrote: No offense, there's way better pop out there.

The artist, the fan and the critic. The fan is the end user who has a general love for the artist's style and will accept to a degree, anything the artist offers but will express his up  or down   based on their history with said artist. The artist is the sole decider of his art and the direction he/she /it chooses. The critic , on the other hand , has no business DICTATING with words what an artist SHOULD be making as far as the artist's music is concerned. ("How dare you make something that does not fit my preconceptions of what I want!"). Those who choose to pan an artist are perhaps entitled to express their opinion, as world-class experts on music that they surely believe they are, but invariably because they are non-artists themselves (as Zappa once proudly stated)  , they will come across as overbearing, brash, loud mouths who enjoy the words they type with such negative gusto. Online , many eschew answering or even reading any debate in question, so concentrated they are on glorifying themselves in their typos, feeling so clever in jumping on the negative bus and riding it to no end. It is the artist taking the risk , not the critic . What is sad, is , like it or not, Wilson is not discovering new territory at all, just going back to where he had already been.  There are many fine synthpop/electronic pop artists out there that have made and are making fab music to this day. Get a more positive grip, experts! Whatever, Wilson is still better than commercial radio of the past 20 years! 

Edited by tszirmay - January 30 2021 at 18:33

Two listens in, I could say it is his least exciting solo album so far, which does not necessarily make it a bad one. In fact, I would still listen to 'The Future Bites' over all the garbage that comes out of the mainstream.

The social commentary is obviously something he cares about, but I don't really want too much of that in my music. I'd rather have his old topics of serial killers and trains.

I concur. It's not really an album that excites me.