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^ I saw Daga band at the Gallery in Manchester. A small late night music venue. As with Pallas at the same venue the number of paying customers could be counted by a one handed man. At both gigs I was drinking with the bands prior to tbe gig. And both dagaband and Pallas did stuff for the mad geezer who had just told them that he liked long bombastic mellotron chords and synth arpegios aplenty. Thus dagaband did their self indulgent jam paraplasma, with classical piano, bach organ like stuff, and an extended old castle by ELP in amongst wakeman exerpts...Pallas did a 70 min plus version of March on atlantis + half hour renditions of the ripper and queen of the deep...the guitar solo in that was the best solo I have ever heard on stage...both those gigs were so magic a true description escapes me...

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

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Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...
 

I don't think anyone is saying that at all LOL

Rush are fascinating for their ability to re-invent and be creative. What is 'progressive' about just peddling a sound and style ad nauseum? Rush didn't do that . There are very clear phases of the music where they concentrated on a particular idea. The eighties did get very electro based but mostly they still put out 'interesting' stuff. Prog ethos is a horrible phrase. Most people reject that flat out. Just be creative , that's the name of the game.

Yeah but both Genesis (post Hackett) and Rush (after MP) REGRESSED into popular synth/pop/AOR fusion neither band produced anything near what a prog ethesist would consider progression...The reason the likes of me listened to Stardust we are and fell in love almost instantly, is because nostalgically such lengthy bombastic epics took seventies prog and progressed it into mega prog....now it's time for tera prog....only daga band (with a live track which was essentially three half hour suites, one piano, one moog and synths then finally organ, moog and synths) have ventured into tera prog....Paraplasma was the track name and ten times better than anything wakeman or emerson did...Greg Boynton..sadly a forgotten talent, now long dead...
 

Wow , Daga Band that was one I had forgotten about totally. 

I love a bit of retro prog but that is what it is. Progression can come in many forms. Rush got very close to symph prog but after 1980 no one was really do it anymore until the 90's revival. At heart, Rush were a hard rock band that embraced old fashioned prog for a while until it was dead on the ground. Then they looked at bands like The Police for inspiration and go it in spades. I have stacks of seventies style prog to listen to , I don't need all 'my' bands to be like that!
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

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Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...
 

I don't think anyone is saying that at all LOL

Rush are fascinating for their ability to re-invent and be creative. What is 'progressive' about just peddling a sound and style ad nauseum? Rush didn't do that . There are very clear phases of the music where they concentrated on a particular idea. The eighties did get very electro based but mostly they still put out 'interesting' stuff. Prog ethos is a horrible phrase. Most people reject that flat out. Just be creative , that's the name of the game.

Yeah but both Genesis (post Hackett) and Rush (after MP) REGRESSED into popular synth/pop/AOR fusion neither band produced anything near what a prog ethesist would consider progression...The reason the likes of me listened to Stardust we are and fell in love almost instantly, is because nostalgically such lengthy bombastic epics took seventies prog and progressed it into mega prog....now it's time for tera prog....only daga band (with a live track which was essentially three half hour suites, one piano, one moog and synths then finally organ, moog and synths) have ventured into tera prog....Paraplasma was the track name and ten times better than anything wakeman or emerson did...Greg Boynton..sadly a forgotten talent, now long dead...

I don't see how they "regressed." They moved on with the times. Maybe you don't like it, but you can't use that word objectively. Arguably, a band like The Flower Kings was regressive, because they harkened back to the time of their influences. Sure they took it and ran ahead with it, but it took the regression first. I say this not to lambast TFK, but to point out that art is subjective. Genesis and Rush were making music that no one else was making in the 80s still. All of their periods have been influential for many. It seems like you are conflating "prog rock" and "progressive rock," one being a musical style, the other being an idea about pushing the boundaries of rock music in the context of the time. In the early 70s, the two were one and the same. But rock musicians weren't going to just disregard trends in taste and breakthroughs in electronic instruments and recording equipment. Not if they wanted to be relevant, or if they cared at all about "progressing" their art. If it's not to your tastes, that's fine.
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I quite enjoy his early "castrato with a megaphone" efforts, at least on my favourite Rush LP, Caress of Squeal.
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I remember when I first heard Rush, a friend had bought All The World's a Stage. I must admit when we first heard it we both thought "wtf?" when the singing started, but since then I've had no problems with his singing.
 
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Doesn't bother me. Rush wouldn't be Rush without Geddy. 

feel the same---his voice shouldn't work --yet somehow it does in this band. Has he ever done solo work and if and when he does would be interesting to see how his singing works 

Yes he has released a solo album - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Favourite_Headache
 
 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...

Nobody here is saying that but Peart did say it.  Wink
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...
 

I don't think anyone is saying that at all LOL

Rush are fascinating for their ability to re-invent and be creative. What is 'progressive' about just peddling a sound and style ad nauseum? Rush didn't do that . There are very clear phases of the music where they concentrated on a particular idea. The eighties did get very electro based but mostly they still put out 'interesting' stuff. Prog ethos is a horrible phrase. Most people reject that flat out. Just be creative , that's the name of the game.

Yeah but both Genesis (post Hackett) and Rush (after MP) REGRESSED into popular synth/pop/AOR fusion neither band produced anything near what a prog ethesist would consider progression...The reason the likes of me listened to Stardust we are and fell in love almost instantly, is because nostalgically such lengthy bombastic epics took seventies prog and progressed it into mega prog....now it's time for tera prog....only daga band (with a live track which was essentially three half hour suites, one piano, one moog and synths then finally organ, moog and synths) have ventured into tera prog....Paraplasma was the track name and ten times better than anything wakeman or emerson did...Greg Boynton..sadly a forgotten talent, now long dead...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...
 

I don't think anyone is saying that at all LOL

Rush are fascinating for their ability to re-invent and be creative. What is 'progressive' about just peddling a sound and style ad nauseum? Rush didn't do that . There are very clear phases of the music where they concentrated on a particular idea. The eighties did get very electro based but mostly they still put out 'interesting' stuff. Prog ethos is a horrible phrase. Most people reject that flat out. Just be creative , that's the name of the game.
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I adore also Geddy´s seventies & eighties voice, but he sounded terrible in the last days of Rush.
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When I heard my first Rush song, I admit that Geddy's voice hit me like a freight train. 

It definitely took a little to get used to, but it wasn't too bad because I listened to a lot of heavy metal before that, so I was used to high-pitched, screamy voices.

I don't know why it surprised me so much with Rush though, it just did. Needless to say, I love his voice now, although it can become a bit grating at times.





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Anyone here fans of Thank You Scientist whose vocalist seems to be very influenced by Geddy?  I concur with the majority that Rush just wouldn't be Rush without him vocally and bassically. Big smile
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If you're a Rush fan, you're a Geddy fan. You can't have one without the other. Too bad we never got to hear Geddy and Rik Emmett, another excellent Canadian musician from the "high-pitched" lead vocal club, collaborate on something.
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It is an acquired taste without a doubt. But I practically grew up with the guy, so I find absolutely no problem at all with his voice. On the other hand, if I'm introducing someone to Rush, I tend to avoid the early albums because of his shrieking vocals. Once I have my apprentice on track I introduce the early Rush, so that the voice will be understood within its proper context.
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Originally posted by fronobulax fronobulax wrote:

Have you folks heard "Pavlov's Dog?" It's the closest thing to Geddy I've heard, but even more high pitched and laden with vibrato. 

Of course Geddy is a god because Rush is (by Caress of Steel) completely original, love it or hate it!

It's the closest thing to Geddy I've heard

Then you've clearly never heard or seen Burke Shelley of Budgie, then!


I love Geddy Lee's voice. But I was already a big fan of Budgie and anyone who sounds like Burke Shelley is fine by me.


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Polarizing voice, and I've never minded it at all! Cool

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Fantastic musicians but I was never a fan and Geddy's voice for me, is like sandpaper on the soul
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Not a favourite, but don't really mind it and maybe even like it a little on the Permanent Waves and onwards albums.  Scream Geddy Lee phase is definitely not something I enjoy.
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When I first heard Rush it was around the Moving Pictures era, and his balls were just starting to drop. I actually really liked his voice. Although, overall, the albums after GUP were not as good as their predecessors, his voice only improved with age.

On the 70's albums, his voice is like Robert Plant throwing a hissy fit in a crack lounge, but, for me it no way impairs the quality of the music.

In summary, I have no problem with his voice.
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Oh and you will get some smart arses on here who wiñl tell you that Rush only became interesting after PW.....words escape me on such flagrant betrayal of the prog ethos...

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