Drugs

I drink coffee, lots of coffee.

I also smoke the occasional cigarette, cigar, sometimes even the Chiba.

Marijuana isn't a big deal to me. Going home and smoking a joint after work is like going home and having a few beers. No big deal.

BaldFriede wrote: Wolf Spider wrote: BaldJean wrote: to all those who said they don't use drugs: I don't believe you, unless you are Mormones. no coffee? no tea? no cocoa? no cigarettes? no alcohol? these are all drugs by the medical definition of the word True, but the common meaning of the word "drugs" means narcotics - you can be addicted to tea, coffe or even alkohol and yet live a normal life. Being addicted to drugs (narcotics)makes your life miserable - you live only to get more and stronger drugs no matter the cost. But anyway any addiction isn`t good. Some "narcotics" aren't addictive either. I am not propagating drugs here, but there is a big difference between what certain states declare "legal" and "illegal" and what actually is harmful. Alcohol is probably the drug that causes the most problems, yet this drug is legal almost everywhere. Most car accidents with lethal results happen under the influence of alcohol. As to living to use more and stronger drugs when using other drugs: Not true. I know a lot of people who smoke dope on a quite regular basis, some of them taking the occasional trip from time to time, but they are perfect members of society. Again, I don't want this to be misunderstood as propagating drugs, I just want to correct a certain misapprehension of drug users.

Society mostly accepts alkohol as of the fully legal drug (we all know how US ended when thay prohibited alcohol), while narcotics are not acceped. But I think it all depends on people - some will be addicted from their frist cigarret/beer/joint some will never be. Part of the addicted will end up drinking vodka/spiritus or taking "hard" drugs and some not. It`s all in your brain
 

The term "drug" is inapropriate and confusing.
Drug means either medicine than psychoactive substance.

To talk about MJ, mushroms, peyote, LSD, etc... i much prefer "lucidogen", "conscious ilimitators"...as these substances don't involve physical addiction.

I think that evrybody should be free to grow any plant he/she likes in her garden or on the balcony, or under lights...Here it's forbidden to pichk some kinds of mushrooms. I find it shameful as nature is not government's property, but everybody's property.

On another hand, the government allows sale of very dangerous (and addictive) pills, only to satisfy pharmaceutical trusts.

I believe for the purposes of this discussion, by "drugs", people are referring to illegal drugs, the kind they teach you about in elementary school and say "drugs are bad, mmmkay..."

so as for illegal "mind expanding" drugs... no.

cigarettes.... no.

cigars.... mmm tasty... on occasion.

but as an Engineering student i have 2 "legal" drugs as my greatest allies: caffeine on the weekdays and alcohol on the weekends!
... and of course prog music 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

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Wolf Spider wrote: BaldJean wrote: to all those who said they don't use drugs: I don't believe you, unless you are Mormones. no coffee? no tea? no cocoa? no cigarettes? no alcohol? these are all drugs by the medical definition of the word True, but the common meaning of the word "drugs" means narcotics - you can be addicted to tea, coffe or even alkohol and yet live a normal life. Being addicted to drugs (narcotics)makes your life miserable - you live only to get more and stronger drugs no matter the cost. But anyway any addiction isn`t good.

Some "narcotics" aren't addictive either. I am not propagating drugs here, but there is a big difference between what certain states declare "legal" and "illegal" and what actually is harmful. Alcohol is probably the drug that causes the most problems, yet this drug is legal almost everywhere. Most car accidents with lethal results happen under the influence of alcohol.
As to living to use more and stronger drugs when using other drugs: Not true. I know a lot of people who smoke dope on a quite regular basis, some of them taking the occasional trip from time to time, but they are perfect members of society. Again, I don't want this to be misunderstood as propagating drugs, I just want to correct a certain misapprehension of drug users.


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Yes, but some people had their life /health ruined by sugar, cigarettes, various kinds of legal "pills" -anti depressant, anxyolitics, tec...- which are very dangerous IMO.

Drugs mean nothing except addiction.

And you can be addicted to TV, sex, game, money, work, computer...

Wolf Spider wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Wolf Spider wrote: Drugs = Cigarrets = Alkohol = Prog = <!-- var SymRealOnLoad; var SymReal; Sym() { window.open = SymWinOpen; if(SymReal != null)      SymReal(); } SymOnLoad() { if(SymRealOnLoad != null)      SymRealOnLoad(); window.open = SymRealWinOpen; SymReal = window.; window. = Sym; } SymRealOnLoad = window.onload; window.onload = SymOnLoad; //--> ...Alcohol's a drug, you know? No, marihuana, cocaine and stuff like that are drugs, but not alkohol. A beer once in a while doesn`t hurt anyone and it doesn`t make you mindless.  <!-- var SymRealOnLoad; var SymReal; Sym() { window.open = SymWinOpen; if(SymReal != null)      SymReal(); } SymOnLoad() { if(SymRealOnLoad != null)      SymRealOnLoad(); window.open = SymRealWinOpen; SymReal = window.; window. = Sym; } SymRealOnLoad = window.onload; window.onload = SymOnLoad; //-->

Alcoho is classified as a hard drug by the prohitive government itself while MJ is considered a soft one (sweet paradox).
Alcohol affects central nervous system (among others)while MJ doesn't.

robertplantowns wrote:   I think that to be a discriminating music listener, one can't be under the influence of drugs because they take away your discrimination in music and anything has the potential of sounding really good.  If you concentrate your musical listening skills and open your mind to music, drugs are completely unnecessary, and only make it harder to appreciate music using the normal part of your brain.  If you need drugs to enhance music, then you are basically lazy or aren't trained enough to make the music interesting using your normal brain.  Also if you always listen to music while under the influence, it will make music more dull to you when you're sober, but if you train yourself to appreciate it when you're sober it will make it all the more interesting when you are under the influence. :)  If you ask me, drugs ruin music because they make you rely on them to have music be interesting, and one doesn't need them to enjoy prog because the music speaks for itself!

This is a very intelligent response to the topic IMO.

Trouserpress wrote: Wolf Spider wrote: Drugs = Cigarrets = Alkohol = Prog = ...Alcohol's a drug, you know?

No, marihuana, cocaine and stuff like that are drugs, but not alkohol. A beer once in a while doesn`t hurt anyone and it doesn`t make you mindless.